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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>John the article you use is from 2002, the BDE was shelved and not touched by Borland/CodeGear/Embarcadero since 2000 (?).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This in itself is not reason to drop it. There are other reasons. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I used it in a client-server application because it was free. It might have performed better as a desktop-only solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The main problem I had when using it was installing it. I made a product for Avon Publishing (for legal forms) and it needed installing on many PCs in a firm. Each desktop typically required tweaking … but when it was installed it ran OK. This was a significant overhead for the persons doing customer service. By contrast the installation of Firebird is easy on a server and on each client PC using the server I need one line in an ini-like file. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Another problem was occasional corruption on some files .. the many files making up a BDE database were together susceptible to corruption. Not often but enough to cause a day’s effort in say 5-person-years access to the DB. When 10 persons at a professional firm had to stop work because a BDE file was broken was not good for a products reputation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The BDE drivers for other DBs are for pre-2000 versions. FB 2.x had significant changes from FB 1.x. FB 3.x will have changes above 2.x.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>By contrast I have FB installed in say 20 sites and have not had one case of the FB engine breaking over 10 years. The IBObjects site has a page about converting from the BDE to FB. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>R<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bird<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 14 June 2012 2:18 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Firebird V2 BDE Windows 7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>I followed the link and comments on the article, and one of them<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'><a href="http://threads.embarcadero.com/threads/threads.exe/view?commentid=32620" title="http://threads.embarcadero.com/threads/threads.exe/view?commentid=32620">http://threads.embarcadero.com/threads/threads.exe/view?commentid=32620</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>from a Borland ex employee implies that the BDE is a more robust implementation than what followed it (as Borlands own products depended on it) – its main disadvantage being tied to DBase and Paradox architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Any other opinions? How many out there use the BDE, or what works best for them with Firebird (I have heard much good about IBObjects)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>John Bird<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> <a href="mailto:alister@salespartner.co.nz" title="alister@salespartner.co.nz">Alister Christie</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:08 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" title="delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> Re: [DUG] Firebird V2 BDE Windows 7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I believe that the SQL Links in the BDE have been deprecated <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/28688">http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/28688</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:41 AM, John Bird <<a href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz" target="_blank">johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>I got a solution for this problem after much experimentation:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>I checked carefully the BDE setup as from Delphi 5, and the BDE as installed by Delphi 2007/XE2. The later install was missing the Firebird/interbase driver, so I downloaded the ODBC driver (its readily available) and installed it. However it does not work, so I compared with the older BDE which has the same version number but is not exactly the same - it has a native Interbase driver built in (INTRBASE) so I installed the older BDE and hey presto that was the final missing link.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Under Windows 7 the Setup has to run as Administrator as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Maybe under XE2 Professional the native Interbase/Firebird driver is omitted from the BDE? That may be the case because I see its present in the XE2 Enterprise BDE. Seems a bit scummy and petty to take it out of a component that hasn’t otherwise been modified for 12 years!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>The reason for sticking with BDE is that yes its a bother to set up on the client PCs but thats a once off pain and OK if you have a good install. The program uses the TQuery component very widely, which has the nice feature of being able to do updates as well with specified fields – the effort to change to other update mechanisms right though the code is more than the bother of using the BDE.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Personally I rather like the BDE type of operation, simple and reliable and compares well to ADOQuery and IBQuery. What do others think?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>John Bird<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi John</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><h4><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At <a name="137e80464c6dd736_d0e41491"></a><a href="http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/ufb-cs-appdev.html" target="_blank">http://www.firebirdsql.org/manual/ufb-cs-appdev.html</a> I read </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></h4><h4><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>The Borland Database Engine (BDE) </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></h4><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Borland markets “enterprise versions” of a number of integrated development tools – Delphi, Kylix, C++Builder, JBuilder and some older products – which can use the proprietary Borland Database Engine and native SQL Links InterBase drivers as a “black box” middleware layer to make InterBase and, latterly, Firebird databases behave like desktop databases. BDE version 5.2 and its associated InterBase driver, which first shipped with Delphi 6E, supports both Firebird and InterBase version 6, although it has known bugs affecting the Dialect 3 date and time data types. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I used the BDE extensively once and would run a long way to avoid it now. I converted one largish BDE app to FB2.5 +IBObjects. No significant problems. So much for a grizzle. You may have compelling reasons to hang with the BDE. Perhaps a replacement from 5.01 to 5.2 would help? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is a download link here for BDE 5.2. <a href="http://www.stockblocks.com/support/bde/" target="_blank">http://www.stockblocks.com/support/bde/</a> (I have not tried the link).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best regards,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Russell</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bird<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 13 June 2012 9:59 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> [DUG] Firebird V2 BDE Windows 7</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>I am getting a legacy program that uses both BDE and TIB connections to a Firebird V2 database working on Windows 7.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Have installed BDE (the old version – V5.01) OK – the trick is to install as Administrator</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Have installed Firebird server and the database.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Can connect to it using EMS SQL Manager and Flamerobin just fine and browse the tables and run SQL etc. – ie the Database file and server all look fine.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>the programs TIBQuery connection also seems to be working OK.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>However I cannot connect to it using BDE – it looks like the problem is the driver. I installed the Firebird/Interbase ODBC driver, but it may be that the original XP PCs using an Intersolv native INTRBASE driver, for which I don’t have an install, or an install of the BDE that once included an INTRBASE driver that I don’t have in my fresh BDE install.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>Anyone have suggestions how to get the BDE connection working?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>John Bird</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz" target="_blank">delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-- <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:black'>Alister Christie<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Computers for People<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Follow us on Twitter <a href="http://twitter.com/salespartner" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/salespartner</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>PO Box 13085<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Johnsonville<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:black'>Wellington<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi@listserver.123.net.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz">delphi-request@listserver.123.net.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>