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<DIV>Related – what is the official relationship between Interbase (Embarcadero
et al) and the Firebird community? </DIV>
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<DIV>I get the impression they reluctantly tolerate each other – but I think
Borland/Codegear/Embarcadero regret ever open sourcing Firebird (the Firefox
people certainly do – they wanted the name for their browser).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>and what is the official relationship between Embarcadero (Delphi) and the
Lazarus/Free Pascal community?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I get the impression this is sort of cooperative – are some of the cross
compiler stuff and other tools in XE2 born in part out of the Lazarus community
(such as parts of Firemonkey and the MacOS compiler)?</DIV>
<DIV>see <A title=http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=14086.0
href="http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=14086.0">http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?topic=14086.0</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Aside – the Google name for Java is Dalvik – I spelled it wrong
before.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On the Oracle/Java and Google/Android law suit - On the face of it I would
think that the design of a programming language cannot be copyrighted and you
cannot stop someone making their own compiler especially if they did a “clean
room” version. Its like the Unix copyright wars (SCO vs
Novell) all over again about who owns the original copyright of something that
was intended as much as possible (by Sun, not Oracle) to be in the public
domain. The SCO-Novell war was what started linux having its
ascendancy over Unix, although some Unix versions do still thrive, simply
because linux had a clear and unambiguous open source licence (Of course MS
disputes this too – see below).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This may seem irrelevant to Delphi, but if the top programming language
(Java - by almost all measures eg TIOBE) comes under a copyright and royalty
fight it might have a sudden impact on the relevance of Delphi and Pascal which
is now also poking into the cross platform arena. I hope the
Embarcadero people don’t ever get themselves into such a stoush...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am reckoning that the best programming future is a mix of Windows, Web,
MacOS, iOS and Android. If XE2 does do a decent job of getting to
these I am delighted that the wish I expressed some years back has also been
taken up by others.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>These patent wars are clearly more about money and commercial advantage
rather than protecting authors of original innovation – for instance Microsoft
is getting more licence fees from some Android handset manufacturers (in return
for promising to not sue them for unspecified patent infringements) than
Google gets (it gets nothing).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is off the original topic – but I would be interested in any
knowledgeable comments about the above Interbase/Firebird and Delphi/Lazarus
connections.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">John Bird<BR>
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<A title=muellers@orcl-toolbox.com
href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com">Stefan Mueller</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=delphi@listserver.123.net.nz
href="mailto:delphi@listserver.123.net.nz">'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Suitable Database for XE2 Pro</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">>>Now
that Oracle owns MySQL I heard some muttering that the best real open source DB
out there is now Firebird – not sure how well Oracle is >>treating MySQL
but going by how they are treating Dalbek (The version of Java Google uses to
develop for Android) I would be worried (ie Oracle is >>trying to sue the
pants off Google to get licence fees for Android.</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I am in
the camp that thinks that Oracle owning MySQL is good. There is actually quite a
bit of knowhow coming from Oracle and flowing into MySQL (improvements to
multicore processing/inno storage engine/parallelism/enterprise features for
backup/replication/etc). So, after Oracle took over MySQL things have actually
worked out pretty good so far.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I do
however agree with you that Oracle is famous and known for squeezing all the
money they can from their products and customers. But at least it’s nice to know
that if you ever outgrow the community edition of MySQL that there is at least
something that has a bit more enterprise features&support if you need it.
Still all 10 times cheaper than MSSQL/Oracle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Kind
Regards,<BR>Stefan Mueller</SPAN><SPAN
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<BR></SPAN><SPAN
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delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@listserver.123.net.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Richard
Vowles<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> NZ
Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Suitable
Database for XE2 Pro<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 16 January 2012 22:01, John Bird <<A
href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz">johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Now that
Oracle owns MySQL I heard some muttering that the best real open source DB out
there is now Firebird – not sure how well Oracle is treating MySQL but going by
how they are treating Dalbek (The version of Java Google uses to develop for
Android) I would be worried (ie Oracle is trying to sue the pants off Google to
get licence fees for Android. Would be like Embarcadero suing the Free Pascal
organisation (same language, different
compiler)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I think the Postgres crowd would disagree with you there :-)
Remember MySQL being GPL means you can't ship it with your app - unless you open
source your app or pay for MySQL. Both Firebird and Postgres are the only two
"main" fully open source databases. <BR clear=all><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>-- <BR>---<BR>Richard Vowles,
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