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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>I use PHP already for many years and I like as it integrates nicely and easily with HTML, CSS and JavaScript. And as Rohit explained, no matter what language you use, for more advanced application you got to learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript any way! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>Speed might be an issue for some applications (?) but PHP is fast enough for most applications (so why bother). I agree that the debugging side of PHP is a bit poor, but that's all part of website development I suppose. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>I wanted to make a start with Delphi 4 PHP a couple of years ago, but never got to it (should I?).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'>John C<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0mm 0mm 0mm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0mm 0mm 0mm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rohit Gupta<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 5 June 2011 5:05 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Web development<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular. I started off with Delphi for PHP. But the investment in learning it was wasted. The only thing I use it for is for debugging now. There is no vcl in sight.<br><br>Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML and CSS. I think you have to , if you want it efficient. Mine has to be as I am targeting millions of users not just hundreds. It is my spare time project too. Check it out if you want 7bfaces.com. You have to signup to see it and note its work in progress.<br><br>On 3/06/2011 4:57 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Berend,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm not doing this for a job but working on my on applications at home in my spare time. I've been programming for many years but not as a job since about 2005.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My next project will be totally web based and I've been thinking that I'd need to make the move to RubyonRails at that point, but before I make that commitment, I wondered if anyone was using Delphi successfully on good advanced web projects - or something else. I know the C#.NET argument is a pretty good argument but for some reasons I'm resisting that move.<br clear=all><br>Steve <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Berend de Boer <<a href="mailto:berend@pobox.com">berend@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Peacocke <<a href="mailto:steve@peacocke.net">steve@peacocke.net</a>> writes:<br><br> Steve> Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others<br> Steve> use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to<br> Steve> D2011 or something else?<br><br>I mean, you're learning this for fun or for having a job? Not sure how<br>many RoR jobs there are in NZ.<br><br>Some years ago I heard that most Delphi programmers went to PHP. The<br>PHP market in NZ is pretty robust, so that works.<br><br>But if you want to stay in the Microsoft World, C# + ASPX or whatever<br>the greatest latest technology is from M$ would be the best fit.<br><br>--<br>All the best,<br><br>Berend de Boer<br><br><br> ------------------------------------------------------<br> Awesome Drupal hosting: <a href="https://www.xplainhosting.com/" target="_blank">https://www.xplainhosting.com/</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6175 (20110602) __________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6178 (20110603) __________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.eset.com">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Regards<br><br><b>Rohit Gupta</b><br>B.E. 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