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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So does that compile to proper Windows 64 bit then?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul A Norman<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 1 April 2011 2:46 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Delphi Starter Edition<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Todd,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Wow - check this out, it looks amazing, <a href="http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=147">http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=147</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Come a long way forward from when I last looked years ago, a Lazarus based Free Pascal Compiler that now even apparently cross compiles from Windows to various linux distributions and WinCE, heaps of extra components pre-installed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 23 March 2011 16:44, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Paul<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>><br>> That is now very much on my todo list.<br>><br>> Quite feasible now - with the Delphi pricing structure as it has been, we<br>> went into maintainance mode on everything Delphi based, so some of our new<br>> projects could essentially be started in Lazarus in theory.<br>><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>That's what I was thinking, when you said you were looking at the<br>starter edition.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>> What's it like for MacOs building?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry. I don't know that. Better than Delphi though :)<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>Todd.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>> Paul<br>><br>> On 22 March 2011 22:33, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz" target="_blank">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Hi Paul<br>>><br>>> I suggest you get Lazarus 9.30 from the repository and FPC 2.4.2+<br>>> <a href="http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags" target="_blank">http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags</a><br>>><br>>> Todd.<br>>><br>>>> Experimented with it a while ago, and was surprised that I really<br>>>> could compile a simple project for both Windows and Linux form the<br>>>> same source, the Linux executable was very big, but there were no<br>>>> dependency/versioning issues.<br>>>><br>>>> I will have another look at it.<br>>>><br>>>> Paul<br>>>><br>>>> On 18 March 2011 00:16, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz" target="_blank">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>> Hi Paul<br>>>>><br>>>>> I don't know what features of the Delphi starter you would most likely<br>>>>> use, but have you considered Lazarus and the FPC compiler? Both have<br>>>>> made some dramatic advances recently.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Todd.<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Thanks Joylon,<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> >From what you are saying that would make it impossible for us to use<br>>>>>> the Starter Edition - I had seen Revenue as being that which was<br>>>>>> derived from an application made in Starter but it seems from what you<br>>>>>> are saying its a bit more woolly than that.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> We'll just have to count out pennies if we need to return to Delphi<br>>>>>> and look to Professional edition again (got stung when we picked up<br>>>>>> 2005 Pro years ago and that was a bad experience).<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Meanwhile will continue as we have been for some time now, apart from<br>>> Delphi. :)<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Finding with careful planning, and even without Titanium Applicator,<br>>>>>> you can do a tremendous amount for people with just XAMPP and a<br>>>>>> virtual box under Windows (Ubuntu is good in the box), nice clean no<br>>>>>> fuss install of a whole application using browser technology.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Paul<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On 14 March 2011 09:12, Jolyon Smith <<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>> I don't think you can rely on your charitable status to avoid the<br>>> ridiculous<br>>>>>>> $1000 license condition as that is $1000 *revenue*, not profit.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Quite how revenue is defined and how Embarcadero would identify and<br>>>>>>> apportion income as deriving from "Starter built apps or services" is<br>>> not<br>>>>>>> specified. If you create some code that is used in an area of a web<br>>> site<br>>>>>>> that also has a "donate" facility, for example... does the income<br>>> from<br>>>>>>> those donations count?<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> There is no special allowance made for non-profit organizations and<br>>>>>>> charitable donations are not specifically identified separately from<br>>>>>>> "income", so it seems impossible to say for sure that your use of<br>>> Delphi<br>>>>>>> Starter would be certain to fall under the < US$1000 revenue threshold<br>>>>>>> (unless your use of Delphi is entirely and utterly not connected with<br>>> any<br>>>>>>> income/donation generating activity in your organisation).<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> You could just hope that they never come knocking on your door as ask<br>>> to see<br>>>>>>> your accounts and set about trying to prove that your license is<br>>> invalid<br>>>>>>> (tho actually the boot would be on the other foot - it would no doubt<br>>> be up<br>>>>>>> to you to prove that your license *is* valid, not the other way<br>>> around), but<br>>>>>>> one would have to think that if they didn't intend ever following<br>>> through<br>>>>>>> and applying this revenue limit then they wouldn't have bothered<br>>> adding it<br>>>>>>> to the license conditions in the first place.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Speaking for myself, I think the revenue limit on the license is a<br>>> mistake<br>>>>>>> (almost as ridiculous as the imposition of Interbase and the removal<br>>> of<br>>>>>>> DBExpress) but sadly not one that I expect Embarcadero to correct any<br>>> time<br>>>>>>> soon, if ever.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<br>>> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] On<br>>>>>>> Behalf Of Paul A Norman<br>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:37<br>>>>>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi Starter Edition<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Thanks Joylon and Todd, that has sorted that out,<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> ... I had been wondering the way things were worded whether you could<br>>>>>>> use 3rd party things like Zeos, or if databasing capabilities were<br>>>>>>> limited strictly to only what was described in the feature matrix.<br>>>>>>> (Remembering the Turbo thingies they put out that didn't even let you<br>>>>>>> add components.)<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> We are charitable non-commercial (take no payments) so I take it we<br>>>>>>> would fit under the $USD1000 at all times?<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Paul<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> On 9 March 2011 17:11, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz" target="_blank">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>> Hi Paul<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>> ZEOS certainly connects to MySql.<br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>> Todd.<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Looking through the feature matrix, I was not sure, can Delphi<br>>> Starter<br>>>>>>>>> connect to an MySql database on local or other server please?<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Paul<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> On 31 January 2011 21:06, Malcolm Groves <<br>>> <a href="mailto:Malcolm.Groves@embarcadero.com">Malcolm.Groves@embarcadero.com</a>><br>>>>>>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter" target="_blank">http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter</a><br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Cheers<br>>>>>>>>>> Malcolm<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Malcolm Groves<br>>>>>>>>>> Senior Director, Asia Pacific and Japan<br>>>>>>>>>> Embarcadero Technologies<br>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.embarcadero.com" target="_blank">http://www.embarcadero.com</a><br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Phone: +61 416 264 204<br>>>>>>>>>> Skype: malcolmgroves<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of<br>>> the<br>>>>>>> intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged<br>>>>>>> information. 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