<div>Hi Todd,</div><div><br></div>Wow - check this out, it looks amazing, <a href="http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=147">http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=147</a><div>
<br></div><div><a href="http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=147"></a>Come a long way forward from when I last looked years ago, a Lazarus based Free Pascal Compiler that now even apparently cross compiles from Windows to various linux distributions and WinCE, heaps of extra components pre-installed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Paul<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2011 16:44, Todd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://todd.martin.nz">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hi Paul<br>
<div class="im">><br>
> That is now very much on my todo list.<br>
><br>
> Quite feasible now - with the Delphi pricing structure as it has been, we<br>
> went into maintainance mode on everything Delphi based, so some of our new<br>
> projects could essentially be started in Lazarus in theory.<br>
><br>
</div>That's what I was thinking, when you said you were looking at the<br>
starter edition.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> What's it like for MacOs building?<br>
<br>
</div>Sorry. I don't know that. Better than Delphi though :)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Todd.<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
> Paul<br>
><br>
> On 22 March 2011 22:33, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz" target="_blank">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Hi Paul<br>
>><br>
>> I suggest you get Lazarus 9.30 from the repository and FPC 2.4.2+<br>
>> <a href="http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags" target="_blank">http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags</a><br>
>><br>
>> Todd.<br>
>><br>
>>> Experimented with it a while ago, and was surprised that I really<br>
>>> could compile a simple project for both Windows and Linux form the<br>
>>> same source, the Linux executable was very big, but there were no<br>
>>> dependency/versioning issues.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I will have another look at it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Paul<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 18 March 2011 00:16, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz" target="_blank">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Paul<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don't know what features of the Delphi starter you would most likely<br>
>>>> use, but have you considered Lazarus and the FPC compiler? Both have<br>
>>>> made some dramatic advances recently.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Todd.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> Thanks Joylon,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> >From what you are saying that would make it impossible for us to use<br>
>>>>> the Starter Edition - I had seen Revenue as being that which was<br>
>>>>> derived from an application made in Starter but it seems from what you<br>
>>>>> are saying its a bit more woolly than that.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> We'll just have to count out pennies if we need to return to Delphi<br>
>>>>> and look to Professional edition again (got stung when we picked up<br>
>>>>> 2005 Pro years ago and that was a bad experience).<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Meanwhile will continue as we have been for some time now, apart from<br>
>> Delphi. :)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Finding with careful planning, and even without Titanium Applicator,<br>
>>>>> you can do a tremendous amount for people with just XAMPP and a<br>
>>>>> virtual box under Windows (Ubuntu is good in the box), nice clean no<br>
>>>>> fuss install of a whole application using browser technology.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Paul<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 14 March 2011 09:12, Jolyon Smith <<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I don't think you can rely on your charitable status to avoid the<br>
>> ridiculous<br>
>>>>>> $1000 license condition as that is $1000 *revenue*, not profit.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Quite how revenue is defined and how Embarcadero would identify and<br>
>>>>>> apportion income as deriving from "Starter built apps or services" is<br>
>> not<br>
>>>>>> specified. If you create some code that is used in an area of a web<br>
>> site<br>
>>>>>> that also has a "donate" facility, for example... does the income<br>
>> from<br>
>>>>>> those donations count?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> There is no special allowance made for non-profit organizations and<br>
>>>>>> charitable donations are not specifically identified separately from<br>
>>>>>> "income", so it seems impossible to say for sure that your use of<br>
>> Delphi<br>
>>>>>> Starter would be certain to fall under the < US$1000 revenue threshold<br>
>>>>>> (unless your use of Delphi is entirely and utterly not connected with<br>
>> any<br>
>>>>>> income/donation generating activity in your organisation).<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> You could just hope that they never come knocking on your door as ask<br>
>> to see<br>
>>>>>> your accounts and set about trying to prove that your license is<br>
>> invalid<br>
>>>>>> (tho actually the boot would be on the other foot - it would no doubt<br>
>> be up<br>
>>>>>> to you to prove that your license *is* valid, not the other way<br>
>> around), but<br>
>>>>>> one would have to think that if they didn't intend ever following<br>
>> through<br>
>>>>>> and applying this revenue limit then they wouldn't have bothered<br>
>> adding it<br>
>>>>>> to the license conditions in the first place.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Speaking for myself, I think the revenue limit on the license is a<br>
>> mistake<br>
>>>>>> (almost as ridiculous as the imposition of Interbase and the removal<br>
>> of<br>
>>>>>> DBExpress) but sadly not one that I expect Embarcadero to correct any<br>
>> time<br>
>>>>>> soon, if ever.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>> From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] On<br>
>>>>>> Behalf Of Paul A Norman<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:37<br>
>>>>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi Starter Edition<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks Joylon and Todd, that has sorted that out,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> ... I had been wondering the way things were worded whether you could<br>
>>>>>> use 3rd party things like Zeos, or if databasing capabilities were<br>
>>>>>> limited strictly to only what was described in the feature matrix.<br>
>>>>>> (Remembering the Turbo thingies they put out that didn't even let you<br>
>>>>>> add components.)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We are charitable non-commercial (take no payments) so I take it we<br>
>>>>>> would fit under the $USD1000 at all times?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Paul<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 9 March 2011 17:11, Todd <<a href="http://todd.martin.nz" target="_blank">todd.martin.nz</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> Hi Paul<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ZEOS certainly connects to MySql.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Todd.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Looking through the feature matrix, I was not sure, can Delphi<br>
>> Starter<br>
>>>>>>>> connect to an MySql database on local or other server please?<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Paul<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On 31 January 2011 21:06, Malcolm Groves <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Malcolm.Groves@embarcadero.com">Malcolm.Groves@embarcadero.com</a>><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter" target="_blank">http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter</a><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers<br>
>>>>>>>>> Malcolm<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Malcolm Groves<br>
>>>>>>>>> Senior Director, Asia Pacific and Japan<br>
>>>>>>>>> Embarcadero Technologies<br>
>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.embarcadero.com" target="_blank">http://www.embarcadero.com</a><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>>>>> Skype: malcolmgroves<br>
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