<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Good answer but wrong question :-)<br><br>On 14/03/2011, at 10:27 AM, Jolyon Smith <<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am guessing that the “certain turnover” you have in mind is significantly higher than the US$1000 revenue limit attached to “Starter” Edition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you do the math on those license terms, basically Embarcadero want your first $1000 revenue for themselves – they take a $200 down payment then grab the next $800 as soon as you earn it, taking you over the $1000 limit triggering the point at which you then have to pay to upgrade to “Pro”, which will cost you 100% of that $800 you just earned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So you better be sure of earning not just that initial $1000, but AT LEAST $270/annum thereafter if you want to stay current (that’s what your “Revenue Assurance”, ahem, I mean “Software Assurance” will cost you). Oops, actually, you’ll need to earn $1270, since when you upgrade from Starter to Pro you’ll need an additional $270 for your initial Revenue Assurance payment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Imho this renders Starter Edition dead in the water for the open source/community/hobby developers that Embarcadero claim to be aiming it at, for whom revenue is a potentially sporadic and uncertain thing.... someone could *<b>easily</b>* “earn” over $1000 in the first year then significantly less than that thereafter. You don’t get to deduct any costs from these revenue numbers, so even if everything you “earn” from Delphi gets sunk into hosting/traffic costs for providing your work to the community etc, Embarcadero don’t care – it’s not profit they are counting, only income/revenue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If they absolutely had to have a revenue threshold (as some sort of corporate/enterprise licensing woobie blanket) , it should have been nearer $5K or even $10K.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">imho<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Peacocke<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 March 2011 09:42<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Access to street maps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">I was the Product Marketing Manager for the company that, up to a few months ago, used to supply the data to Google Maps.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes, essentially you are right and Google have not really worked very hard at gaining revenue from that source, however that time will come and it is important to know where you stand. Essentially, once you have turnover, then you will need to purchase commercial licences but hopefully that will mean that you are making lots of money. - Google will want some that money.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Actually, I think that its a great commercial licence. I only wish Delphi and some toolmakers used the same licence. I'd love to develop stuff using, for example the latest Delphi and Woll2Woll's InfoPower tools but I just can't justify the licence cost until I get over a certain turnover, THEN I could buy them.<br clear="all"><br>Steve Peacocke<br>Mobile: 0220 612-611<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/steve-peacocke/1/a06/489" target="_blank">Linkedin Professional Profile</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Jeremy Coulter <<a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com">jscoulter@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">bah.....just tick "I agree" dont read it....then you can plead ignorance...hehehe<br><br>Yeah its only free if you are not going to make $$ from it and not going to have 50,000 hits a day.....pretty much....but do read the terms just incase ;-)<br><span style="color:#888888"><br>Jeremy</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Steve Peacocke <<a href="mailto:steve@peacocke.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:steve@peacocke.net">steve@peacocke.net</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Caution - Please review the terms of service for yourself. It's only free in certain circumstances.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><br>Steve Peacocke<br>Mobile: 0220 612-611<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/steve-peacocke/1/a06/489" target="_blank">Linkedin Professional Profile</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jeremy Coulter <<a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com">jscoulter@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">yip its free. You just have to register with them to access the Google API docs etc. I dont know why. Maybe they just want to add your details to their database :-)<br><span style="color:#888888"><br>Jeremy</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Leigh Wanstead <<a href="mailto:leigh.wanstead@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:leigh.wanstead@gmail.com">leigh.wanstead@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jeremy,<br><br>May I ask to use google maps service is free?<br><br>TIA<br><br>Regards<br><span style="color:#888888">Leigh</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">2011/3/14 Jeremy Coulter <<a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:jscoulter@gmail.com">jscoulter@gmail.com</a></a>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The other thing to note too if you want to use Google Maps to display locations you need to signup and get a key that you need to pass through each time you make a call which is fine if you will only be calling it from the same location as it is tied to a Domain name.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">We do exactly what you are doing to show surgery locations and various other things at work. Took a bit of time to figure it out, but it works well.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Also something interesting I noticed the other day. My wife was using Wises online the other day, I noticed they use Google now too...any why not ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Jeremy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a></a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a></a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Peacocke<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 March 2011 07:28<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Access to street maps</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You will need to change the address to the XY coordinates in order to display the map. Yes, all is possible using JavaScript and the Google Maps API.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://code.google.com/apis/maps/index.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://code.google.com/apis/maps/index.html">http://code.google.com/apis/maps/index.html</a></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/javascript/" target="_blank"><a href="http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/javascript/">http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/javascript/</a></a><br clear="all"><br>Steve Peacocke<br>Mobile: 0220 612-611<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/steve-peacocke/1/a06/489" target="_blank">Linkedin Professional Profile</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:22 AM, mark <<a href="mailto:wcsl@kol.co.nz" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:wcsl@kol.co.nz">wcsl@kol.co.nz</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I have a D2009 application which holds the addresses of employees and the customers they service.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Is there a way that I can display a map with a selected address?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Ideally, I would also like to be able to get the distance between two addresses.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I assume that this information is available from Google or Wises, but have no idea how to go about accessing it. I’m guessing it will be a Web Service, with which I have limited experience (I have an interface to one).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Mark </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - 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