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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I actually deliberately leave “CodeGear” and DTG era out of the moniker, because that was the time when it looked like there might be a return to common sense. The Turbo resurrections, the restoration of the separate personality SKU’s etc, the termination of Delphi.NET.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The recurring theme in the (later) Borland, then Inprise and now Embarc_A_dero era’s is high prices, enterprise level features, pursuit of features and a broadening of the offering to try to make Delphi the same as the alternatives, rather than focussing on what makes Delphi different, along with expectations over price tolerance and a lack of concern over fostering entry level, community, hobby-level developers... ya know, the type of people that gave us things like FastMM, Indy, JCL, TNT etc etc<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alister Christie<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 January 2011 11:00<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Delphi roadmap<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think Borcoderoprise would be closer<br>Borland, CodeGear, Embarcadero and the ever favorable Inprise<br><br>Anyone else see further improvements?<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Alister Christie<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Computers for People<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PO Box 13085<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Johnsonville<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Wellington <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 10/01/2011 10:34 a.m., Jolyon Smith wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>MS has tools for OS/X ?!? ;)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The problem I see with their multi-platform direction is that the platforms they are targeting are all well served by completely free tools. Unless Embarcadero sort out their thinking w.r.t. low cost, entry level SKU’s for their software development products and shake off their addiction to/obsession with enterprise (small “e”) type developers/customers, they simply cannot compete in those spaces.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Read “Will not” compete, rather than “cannot” - they could be competitive if they modify their thinking around pricing, but my guess is that they will choose not to do that, and instead expect/hope those markets will “mature” around their ticket price, because the mindset at Borcaderoprise is that “real, grown up software developers pay handsomely for their tools – everyone else is just tinkering”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alister Christie<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 10 January 2011 10:18<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Delphi roadmap</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don't care much for Win64 or OS/X - but I think they are required to make Delphi a serious competitor to MS tools. Would like mobile platforms - Android or iOS - both of which are ARM based.<br><br>NVidia already have plenty <a href="http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra.html">experience</a> with the ARM platform.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Alister Christie<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Computers for People<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PO Box 13085<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Johnsonville<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Wellington <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 8/01/2011 10:22 a.m., Malcolm Groves wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><pre>Personally, I'd rather we get Win64, MacOSX, and maybe a mobile platform out the door before we look at supporting something that may not even have a market. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Cheers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Malcolm<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Malcolm Groves<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Senior Director, Asia Pacific and Japan<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Embarcadero Technologies<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.embarcadero.com">http://www.embarcadero.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Phone: +61 416 264 204<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: malcolmgroves<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>On 08/01/2011, at 7:44 AM, "Jan Bakuwel" <a href="mailto:jan.bakuwel@omiha.com"><jan.bakuwel@omiha.com></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Hi,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>We debated what we'd like to see in future version of Delphi from time<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to time. It seems that the recent announcement of NVidia and Microsoft<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>("Project Denver") as outlined here for example:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/nvidia-guns-desktop-server-market/2011-01-07">http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/nvidia-guns-desktop-server-market/2011-01-07</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>would indicate that Embarcadero has no choice but to adopt the Delphi<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>compiler for different target architectures (at least to include ARM).<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Jan<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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