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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think we’re talking about two different things:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> There’s a proof of concept of a technology that translates Delphi code to Java.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There’s apparently been some indication somewhere of a Delphi compiler targeting Android that has been described as a “native” compiler.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>imho Java isn’t “native” code in the sense that most people would think (native is <i>generally</i> taken to be synonymous with “unmanaged”). However, it could be considered “native” in the sense that Java is (seemingly) the “lingua franca” of Android.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Iirc there was talk many, many, MANY years ago of a Delphi compiler that could/would/might emit Java Byte Code.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross Levis<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 29 November 2010 18:15<br><b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] DelphiDroid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That sneak preview page says it creates a full Android (Java) solution so presumably that means it creates Java code which will run on any Android supporting Java.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 29 November 2010 5:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] DelphiDroid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, that’s exactly my point... “native” means compiled to machine code, in which case you need to say code for *<b>which</b>* machine...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For a more concrete example: The Delphi compiler does not target the “IBM PC” – it targets Intel x86.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It also targets <b>Windows</b> on x86, but let us imagine that Windows was still NT and that NT still supported ALPHA hardware. Delphi “targets” Windows, but it does not produce ALPHA executables since it only targets x86.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To say that Delphi targets Windows is not sufficient – you have to say “Windows x86”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So when you say “targets Android”, this doesn’t appear to be sufficient information to be a reliable indication of any meaningful, intent, just highly speculative spit-balling (“Ya know, with this new compiler architecture we (or “they”) could support Android...”).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would be interested to know where you heard the speculation... the source can be significant in ascertaining the reliability of some messages... </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alister Christie<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:10<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] DelphiDroid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From what I heard it will be native - although all I've heard are rumors - certainly no statement of intent.<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Alister Christie<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Computers for People<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PO Box 13085<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Johnsonville<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Wellington <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 29/11/2010 4:19 p.m., Jolyon Smith wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Is that Android 1.5? 1.6? 2.1? 2.2? Or will it be 3.0?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Apart from that, isn’t a “target” for a compiler a bit more than just an OS/platform/framework ... ?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>If Delphi is to “target” Android then it must target the CPU architectures that Android itself runs on (with iPhone the distinction is blurred since only one phone hardware platform runs the OS – iPhone the OS <b><i><u>is</u></i></b> iPhone the hardware, to intents and purposes).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Android might be running on (currently) ARM-Cortex A7, A8, or A9 (as far as I can tell – I am not an Android owner or otherwise particularly interested in Android, so this is based on a few mins with my learned friend, Mr Google </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alister Christie<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:11<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] DelphiDroid</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My understanding is that both Android and iPhone are being actively experimented with as targets for the compiler. We'll probably hear more once we have OS/X, Win64 and Linux support, which I suspect that it would be at last 2 years away<o:p></o:p></p><pre>Alister Christie<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Computers for People<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PO Box 13085<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Johnsonville<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Wellington <o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 29/11/2010 1:40 p.m., David Brennan wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think Jolyon is right.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The difference between a proof of concept (which is basically what the guy has now) and a robust tool which handles the majority of Delphi features and libraries is enormous. Several orders of magnitude sounds about right to me (meaning 100-1000 times more difficult, or even more).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I agree with the general principle though that being able to build for Android (and/or iPhone and others) would be great. However I think the only way it could really be done in a decent way is by Embarcadero continuing to extend the back end compiler to support more and more target platforms. They have made a few references in recent times which suggest they hope to do this but only time will tell.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Coulter<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 29 November 2010 1:23 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Company closing</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>you should download it and make it do more then :-)<br><br>jeremy<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Jolyon Smith <<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Is it a compiler? Technically I mean - I'd call it a translator. :)<br><br>I wonder how far it can go though, beyond the simple examples I mean.<br><br>Translating a push button and a call to ShowMessage() is one thing. Being<br>able to translate a complex application with all the libraries that Android<br>must support strikes me as a number of orders of magnitude more complex.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] On<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Behalf Of Alister Christie<br>Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 12:39<br>To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>Subject: Re: [DUG] Company closing<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interestingly the compiler is written in C#<br><br>Alister Christie<br>Computers for People<br>Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<br><a href="http://www.salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">http://www.salespartner.co.nz</a><br>PO Box 13085<br>Johnsonville<br>Wellington<br><br><br>On 29/11/2010 12:08 p.m., John Bird wrote:<br>><br>?<a href="http://lenniedevilliers.blogspot.com/2010/09/delphi-for-android-sneak-previ%0Aew.html" target="_blank">http://lenniedevilliers.blogspot.com/2010/09/delphi-for-android-sneak-previ<br>ew.html</a><br>><br>> Just checked out the DelphiDroid - not sure what state its at but simple<br>> examples are at least working - see a sneak peek video at the above<br>address.<br>> Says been tested with "Delphi 6.0, 7.0, 2005, 2006 and 2010."<br>><br>> This is exactly the sort of tools we need - why does Embarcadero not jump<br>> onto this asap???<br>><br>><br>> John<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>> Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><br>> Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>> Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject:<br>unsubscribe<br>><br>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject:<br>unsubscribe<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<br>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><br>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi" target="_blank">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><br>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Post: <a href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">delphi@delphi.org.nz</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Admin: <a href="http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi">http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Unsubscribe: send an email to <a href="mailto:delphi-request@delphi.org.nz">delphi-request@delphi.org.nz</a> with Subject: unsubscribe<o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>