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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adding green. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Brennan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 October 2010 09:55<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>My comments in a lovely purple. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jolyon Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 22 October 2010 8:53 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Aw nuts
you are just being a stirrer.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Why is pointing out facts considered stirring?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>You obviously have pretty strong feelings about it Jolyon but
you jumped on John pretty hard and if I was him I would certainly feel you were
being deliberately antagonistic. You didn’t just point out facts, you had an
axe to grind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>Well, as did John I’d say. Sauce for the goose too rich for the
gander ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>Ø<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>What I am
saying is do not punish Borland and Embarcadero for making a product that was
reliable and well usable for 10+ years. Reward them by spending a small
amount of money to keep them in business. And into the bargain enjoy a much
better version of Delphi.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>How about Embarcadero punishing their customers for not having
provided compelling reasons to upgrade?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>Aren’t they two sides of the same issue? Either
Embarcadero/Codegear/Borland haven’t added anything to Delphi since version 5
OR version 5 was so good that you didn’t need any of the things they added.</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>I’m not following the point here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>1 – John passed judgement (“nuts”) on somebody elses upgrade (or
lack of) decisions based on his OWN experience and position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>2 – I merely offered that perhaps other people may be in a
different position and that the “nuts” thing is to make judgements on others without
taking their position into account (and using inaccurate information in the
process).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>You believe the former and refuse to accept that perhaps part of
the reason is that v5 was so good.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>How on earth do you reach that conclusion?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>The original poster</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050'> hadn’t upgraded since Delphi
4 – by definition they haven’t felt the need to upgrade. Arguing about whether
they were given reasons to upgrade is meaningless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>And I simply pointed out that John’s suggestion that they
upgrade NOW was to ignore the fact that Embarcadero have slammed the door on
that option for the original poster. They no longer have the choice of
upgrading, they are now faced with having to buy a NEW USER license, from
scratch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>Is that grinding an axe? I see it correcting a point of
accuracy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>On which score: I myself purchased Delphi 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and
7 licenses for myself. I now use Delphi 2006 and 2010 licenses provided by my
employer but have stopped spending <u>my own</u> money on Delphi.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>The work I do with Delphi in my own time brings me no financial
reward, so the cost of upgrades is just that – a cost. Not an investment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>I’m guessing you have never received an OEM version of Windows
then? I believe most copies of Windows sold are OEM which are locked (in
theory) to the computer they are sold with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>That “in theory” part is important. The “Windows Me” license I
upgraded to XP from was “in theory” an OEM license tied to the machine it was
purchased with. But my XP Upgrade installation media of course knew nothing
about that and so did not complain when I installed in on the subsequent
machines, having provided suitable original media for it to validate upgrade eligibility
at that time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>Compare and contrast with purchasing a valid license for Delphi and
then having to go around the houses and jump through numerous hoops in order
for it to acknowledge that yes indeed I am entitled to “activate” and use the
software I have bought and paid for.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And why do you feel so less inclined to reward Microsoft for
making a reliable, well usable product when doing so costs far, FAR less than
rewarding Borland (who produced a couple of REAL stinkers, products that were
neither reliable nor even barely usable, over the years)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>Sounds like John has purchased 8 copies of Windows, you don’t
think that is rewarding them? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>In his own words, he is grumpy about it. I observe that he is
grumpy about rewarding Microsoft and yet is happy, and <u>keen to encourage</u>
others, to reward Embarcadero whilst simultaneously highlighting that they
provide a less generous service in a specific area, in return for that reward
yet seemingly perceiving this as providing higher value?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>Again, is it grinding an axe to mention that Delphi updates
cease when a new version is released, while Windows updates do not?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>Borland blew it in a major way around Delphi 8/2005, no question
about that and I can understand punishing them for it. </span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>And more recently (at the risk of getting sidetracked) Embarcadero
have blown it again (imho) with addressing Unicode and 64-bit separately,
creating TWO significant barriers to upgraders and also failing to make good on
indications of 64-bit delivery and introducing new priorities and changing
roadmaps and product direction without updating those roadmaps until after the
fact.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#5F497A'>But at some point it becomes cutting off your nose to spite your
face... anyone who develops seriously in Delphi needs Delphi to be a viable
commercial product and that means being willing to pony up for some money
occasionally in my opinion.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>You saw the part where I complain that they do not provide an
option for me to spend the money that is worth it to me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#00B050'>I WANT to spend money with Embarcadero, but they refuse to make
available a product that suits the use to which I wish to put it at a price
that is reasonable and that I can afford when set alongside all of the other
demands on my financial resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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