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<DIV>Aw nuts you are just being a stirrer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I actually use D5 and D2007 both a lot for work. So thats my
experience – I greatly prefer D2007.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For me a pro upgrade is $600-700 so thats also true.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The point about Windows updates are:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MS updates Windows still (mind you only XP SP3 onwards now) not because
they want to or like to but because the security holes are so big they would
look really really bad if they didn’t.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What I am saying is do not punish Borland and Embarcadero for making a
product that was reliable and well usable for 10+ years. Reward them
by spending a small amount of money to keep them in business. And into the
bargain enjoy a much better version of Delphi.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Another reason for having the latest is to make use of the XP and Aero
theme support. In my mind, with that you hardly need 3rd party
components because the standard VCL looks so good.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am grumpy about buying 8 versions of Windows mainly because I couldn’t
move the licences from PC to PC and until windows 7 the OS was pretty crap
anyhow. I have however moved Delphi from PC to PC and been grateful to be
able to.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I still have my D5 installation, only once I upgraded I never opened it
again to compile anything. Not once – the new version worked straight away
and I just jumped into it. In my case I jumped from D5 to
D2006 with not the slightest hassle.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>To answer the original question, without customers the eventual future is
that it will rather than die it once E gets insufficient revenue from it they
will hopefully open source it. Then good people like Jeremy N and
others will spend time fixing the bugs for free, and people like you will still
keep complaining about unfixed bugs. Hopefully by that stage you
will start helping with the coding.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I come back to my original point – either you spend some time helping to
fix the bugs or you pay for versions where others have done it for
you. In the end someone does need to get rewarded either with money
or at least some thanks and recognition.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sibelius once said in response to a critic who called his music old
fashioned</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>“No-one ever built a statue of a critic”</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">John</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jsmith@deltics.co.nz
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">Jolyon Smith</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=delphi@delphi.org.nz
href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Delphi Specials</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-list: ignore">Ø<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Well
thats nuts.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Which
neatly described what followed, rather than what was being replied to....
;)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> you
would have to be nuts to want to work in D5 if you spend any time
programming.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
suggest that is not for you to say on behalf of others. You are free to
have that view for yourself, but if a version of software works well enough for
someone, suggesting that they should pay a not insignificant amount of money and
incur the productivity penalty of having to familiarise with a significantly
different version of the product is presumptive at best and nonsense at
worst.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P style="TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoListParagraph><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: wingdings; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="mso-list: ignore">Ø<SPAN style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Pro
upgrades are only around 600-700 at the moment anyway<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Nope.
The poster is deemed unclean and not worthy of upgrade pricing anymore.
New user license required.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
believe this is what Embarcadero are currently calling their “Bog Off” promotion
– Oh no, wait, that’s “BOGOF - Buy One Get One Free”, not “you haven’t kept
upgrading so you can BOG OFF and use Visual Studio instead for all we
care”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> pro
includes pretty much all that was in Enterprise back in D5 days....</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Well,
you still can’t connect to remote servers using the proprietary DB API.
Doesn’t stop you using ADO of course, which makes the restriction even more
ridiculous imho.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">And
let’s think about this for a minute... you are suggesting that a version of the
software which contains a bunch of stuff that wasn’t considered necessary for a
particular user back when they bought their licenses and suggesting that getting
those undesired/unnecessary features is a good reason to pay through the nose to
get current now?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> for
instance Window 2000 XP (pre SP2) are now out of support</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">EXCUSE
ME?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Every
version of Delphi goes “out of support”, in those terms, as soon as the next
version is released. Windows 2000/XP don’t stop working when their support
period ends either, just like Delphi (assuming there is still someone servicing
product activation requests, for the more recent versions), but you DO still
keep getting updates and fixes for MS products, LONG after their replacement
products have been introduced.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Compare
and contrast THAT with Delphi.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Just
my 0,02</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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