is watching builds run better than dogs? do you bet on the winners?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Conor Boyd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Conor.Boyd@trimble.co.nz">Conor.Boyd@trimble.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Ouch.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">The only time I've actually been knocked off my bike was by
another cyclist. ;-)</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">Using Delphi today? Sure. Although most of today
was spent testing on VPCs and watching builds run.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial">C.</font></span></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left">
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kyley
Harris<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 4:04 p.m.<div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> NZ
Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br></div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] So off-topic
it's ridiculous<br></font><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<div></div>haha.. I drooled over the iPad for the time frame of 1 day while
chatting.. now I'll ignore it until I see a price.
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<div>I used to love cycling in Auckland before I had to raise my child alone and
ran out of time. Mission Bay to Mt Albert was always a good ride. Lots of bad
drivers to be careful of, but I use the same mindset as when I ride a motorcycle
and luckily had no accidents on the Cycle. </div>
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<div>on the motorcycle 2 injuries by illegally u-turning Cars that didn't look.
total time in bed 1.2 years.</div>
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<div>Using delphi for at least 7 hours a day.. youtube for at least 1 :D<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Jolyon Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz" target="_blank">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">Are there
any Delphi users on this list actually using Delphi right now or are we all
too busy drooling over Apple products that Delphi doesn’t support and getting
our knickers in a twist over road transport issues?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">J</span><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">But since
everyone else has chimed in, my contribution on the cycling issue…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">What are
the annual registration, licensing, insurance and WOF costs for your
bicycle?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">“free” –
as usual - comes with a price.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">I ride my
bicycle *<b>occasionally</b>* for leisure – I would very much like the roads
to be more bicycle friendly, but I don’t expect that to happen for free.
In the meantime I ride my bicycle where it is safe and permitted to do
so.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">I also do
not presume to judge someone simply for being alone in their vehicle. I
do not know how far they have had to travel or how much further they have yet
to go. Bicycles are simply not practical for long journey’s, and not
everyone has the benefit of a workplace equipped with shower
facilities.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">I also do
not know what equipment or materiel the driver may be carrying in their boot
or in the vehicle with them, that may simply be impossible to carry on a
bicycle or even a moped.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">Even if
they do not have far to travel to get to their workplace, I would not presume
to think that they might not have to make a more substantial journey – or be
available/capable of making a journey – later in the day, or have to be able
to travel to a customer site or meeting as quickly as legally possible to
minimize the impact of travel time on their working day.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">And in
Auckland anyone needing to cross the harbour bridge to get to/from work or
during the course of their working day simply cannot afford the planet the
luxury of a bicycle, or even a moped under a certain engine capacity – the law
simply won’t allow it. (should the law change to allow it? maybe,
but currently it doesn’t).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">But why
let such practical considerations get in the way of a sense of moral
superiority, eh? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">If only
everyone lived within practical cycling distance of their work and nobody had
to do a job that involved anything more than staying in one place all day
waiting to cycle home.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">Of course,
that itself would all come at a price too – you would lose mobility of labour
and much of the choice that you currently enjoy in the range of possible
workplaces you may be employed or areas that you may choose to
live.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">We may
dream of a return to the lifestyle of a pastoral society, but it’s simply not
going to happen, at least not until the oil runs out and we’re forced into
it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#993366;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leigh
Wanstead<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 3:35 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ
Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Apple iPad
- OT</span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I ride
bicycle in Auckland around 10 years. Auckland road is not fit for riding
bicycle. Most road does not have proper cycle way. The cycle way is not
continuous. And the road suppose to ride bicycle is only around 20 cm wide and
shared with cars. And car runs very fast. It is so easy to be hit by the car
in Auckland. I guess riding bicycle is far more easy to be killed than driving
car. So to look after myself not to be hit by the car, riding on pavement is
quite acceptable. Anyway the pavement most of the time is empty.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I saw most
car have four seats and only one driver sitting in the car which wastes lots
of natural resource moving around. Remember we only have one earth to
live.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cameron
Hart<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 2:27 p.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ
Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Apple iPad
- OT</span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt">Imho it is not
getting stuck behind bikes that gets car drivers irate, but the flaunting of
the road rules demonstrated by cyclists. Car drivers start thinking it
is unfair every time they see one ride through a red light, or fail to
indicate, or ride double/triple, or skip from road to footpath as it suits,
and unless everyones is following the same rules it starts to turn into two
sides – them against us. You start resenting cyclists because they are
not following the rules you are required to.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt">Maybe they
should address this imbalance by bringing into effect some things like cycle
licenses (so you know they are qualified and even know the road rules),
headlights, brake lights, and indicators. Maybe they need a WOF and
cycle registration.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt">Bring us all
onto an equal footing and more respect for cyclists might be found. It
is easy to be tolerant of others when it is a level playing field.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt">
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt">cameron</span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#2d3a44;font-size:9pt"></span> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert
martin<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 29 January 2010 10:23 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> NZ
Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Apple iPad
- OT</span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What an idiot. <br>I think what most of the nasty
drivers forget is that for every cyclist on the road its one less car for them
to get stuck behind. However I must admit the Dyers pass road is
terrible to drive up / down especially with the Lycra brigade riding two a
breast up a thin winding road. No excuse for nocking people off the road
or for driving a hummer !<br><br>Rob</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#ff9900" lang="EN-NZ"> </span><span lang="EN-NZ"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ"></span> </p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>On 29/01/2010 9:53 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Basically the
need for a bit more tolerance from both cyclists and car-drivers to sharing
the road.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Exacerbated this
week by a guy who lives in Cashmere, drives a black Hummer (plate WARNIN
with a surround that says "does not play well with others"), and who posted
online this week that he had knocked 2 cyclists into the kerb in the last 6
months and was quite prepared to do the same again, but who subsequently
half-heartedly apologised after he realised that he was easily identifiable as
Richard Freeman, the co-owner of the Sign of the Takahe cafe/restaurant and a
number of other businesses who look like they will be taking a bit of a dent
in patronage from now on.</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Front
page news in the Press on Wednesday I think it was.</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Following by an
alleged case of car-passenger assault on a cyclist at the bottom of Dyers Pass
Road yesterday morning.</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Neither side are
completely blameless, and it's a small minority on either side who make it
seem more of a car/cyclist war than it actually is, or than it should
be.</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Personally, I'm
glad I've got a commute that mostly sticks to quieter roads than the main
arteries.</span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">C.</span></p></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a> [<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Robert martin<br></span><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I come in from the other side (St Albans). Whats
happening in Cashmere? I'm obviously out of the loop :)<br><br>On
29/01/2010 9:23 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: </p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Likewise.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:blue;font-size:10pt">Although we
won't mention the current Cashmere-based shenanigans.</span></p>
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