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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109315001-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Speaking as a cyclist as well as a car-driver, I mostly agree
with you, hence my mention of tolerance from both sides, and my
reference to the small minority of cyclists was basically to the type of cyclist
you talk of.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109315001-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109315001-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>As a commuter cyclist though (and not really one of the lycra
jockeys), I receive a fair share of abuse from car drivers who tar all cyclists
with the same brush, e..g "you cyclists just think you own the road".
Sure, some of them wrongly do, but I'm not "some cyclists"; I'm just one
guy who tries to respect the road rules, stops at red lights, doesn't ride on
the pavement, wants to get home to his family at the end of the day, and doesn't
appreciate getting cut up unnecessarily.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN
class=109315001-29012010>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff size=2
face=Arial></FONT><BR><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>Some people don't
seem to be able to <SPAN
class=109315001-29012010>differentiate</SPAN>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR><SPAN class=109315001-29012010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>To be honest, I seem to have more trouble with
bus-drivers than car-drivers... ;-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109315001-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=109315001-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>C.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><B>From:</B> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Cameron Hart<BR><SPAN
class=109315001-29012010><FONT color=#0000ff
face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #2d3a44; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Imho
it is not getting stuck behind bikes that gets car drivers irate, but the
flaunting of the road rules demonstrated by cyclists. Car drivers start
thinking it is unfair every time they see one ride through a red light, or fail
to indicate, or ride double/triple, or skip from road to footpath as it suits,
and unless everyones is following the same rules it starts to turn into two
sides – them against us. You start resenting cyclists because they are not
following the rules you are required to.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #2d3a44; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Maybe
they should address this imbalance by bringing into effect some things like
cycle licenses (so you know they are qualified and even know the road rules),
headlights, brake lights, and indicators. Maybe they need a WOF and cycle
registration.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #2d3a44; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Bring
us all onto an equal footing and more respect for cyclists might be found.
It is easy to be tolerant of others when it is a level playing
field.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS','sans-serif'; COLOR: #2d3a44; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">cameron</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <B>On Behalf
Of </B>Robert martin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 29 January 2010 10:23
a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>What an idiot. <BR>I think what most of the nasty
drivers forget is that for every cyclist on the road its one less car for them
to get stuck behind. However I must admit the Dyers pass road is terrible
to drive up / down especially with the Lycra brigade riding two a breast up a
thin winding road. No excuse for nocking people off the road or for
driving a hummer !<BR><BR>Rob<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #ff9900" lang=EN-NZ> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-NZ> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-NZ> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>On
29/01/2010 9:53 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Basically
the need for a bit more tolerance from both cyclists and car-drivers to sharing
the road.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Exacerbated
this week by a guy who lives in Cashmere, drives a black Hummer (plate
WARNIN with a surround that says "does not play well with others"), and who
posted online this week that he had knocked 2 cyclists into the kerb in the last
6 months and was quite prepared to do the same again, but who subsequently
half-heartedly apologised after he realised that he was easily identifiable as
Richard Freeman, the co-owner of the Sign of the Takahe cafe/restaurant and a
number of other businesses who look like they will be taking a bit of a dent in
patronage from now on.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Front
page news in the Press on Wednesday I think it
was.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Following
by an alleged case of car-passenger assault on a cyclist at the bottom of Dyers
Pass Road yesterday morning.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Neither
side are completely blameless, and it's a small minority on either side who make
it seem more of a car/cyclist war than it actually is, or than it should
be.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Personally,
I'm glad I've got a commute that mostly sticks to quieter roads than the main
arteries.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">C.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</A> [<A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert martin<BR></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I come in from the other side (St Albans). Whats
happening in Cashmere? I'm obviously out of the loop :)<BR><BR>On
29/01/2010 9:23 a.m., Conor Boyd wrote: <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Likewise.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Although
we won't mention the current Cashmere-based shenanigans.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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