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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Many people would say that the $2000 you pay for that internet
and phone service is way more than those services should cost. “Worth” is a
highly subjective measure. ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Free cheese is only ever found in mousetraps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Kyley Harris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 18 January 2010 10:07 a.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] Google Phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>>>Vodafone offer the HTC
handset for as little as "FREE". "Free" in this case<br>
>>means signing up for 24 months at $80/mth, so that's $2000 (give or
take) in<br>
>>real money, albeit on an installment plan.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>$2000 if you ignore the $2000 worth of internet and phone
service which still costs $2000 even if you dont get the phone. so, I'd take
that as an opportunity cost at worst if you didn't need a phone plan. But then
what point is a phone without the plan to test it on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My father has the google phone, I have the 3g iphone. In
almost all ways I can imagine the iphone leaves it for dead. Vodafone is
providing a cut back OS with limited features that sucks. In trying to upgrade
to one of the open versions of the OS he keeps stuffing his phone up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I've bought many Apps for the new iphone and never paid more
than $8 for products of excellent quality including some very cool games that
would cost $60+ on a PSP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I'd also say that Google Maps on the iPhone works better
than google maps on the Google phone.. (Better interface)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jolyon Smith <<a
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>That all depends what you mean by "reasonable".<br>
<br>
Vodafone offer the HTC handset for as little as "FREE".
"Free" in this case<br>
means signing up for 24 months at $80/mth, so that's $2000 (give or take) in<br>
real money, albeit on an installment plan.<br>
<br>
A handset only deal will set you back $750.<br>
<br>
I was nearly tempted by the "installment plan" but fortunately (for
me) the<br>
Vodafone rep was able to demonstrate the device as she herself had one.
As<br>
a result I quickly changed my mind. The on-screen keyboard (it has no<br>
physical keyboard at all) was just too small for my fingers and didn't have<br>
cursor keys that I (or she) could find.<br>
<br>
So, e.g. when entering a txt message, if you make a mistake the only way to<br>
position the cursor on the offending text is to try to hit exactly the right<br>
spot in the txt with your finger (or backspace ALL text back to it) .. you<br>
can't simply cursor back over/thru the txt!!!<br>
<br>
And unless you have a child's fingers and prod the letter out *real*<br>
carefully (i.e. slowly), you will make mistakes with the tiny virtual<br>
keyboard. Guaranteed.<br>
<br>
There is no stylus.<br>
<br>
<br>
"Way cool" doesn't outweigh simple practicality in my book.<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>]
On<br>
Behalf Of Leigh Wanstead<br>
Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 9:40 a.m.<br>
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
Subject: Re: [DUG] What is the future for Delphi programmer?<br>
<br>
May I ask how to get one Google phone reasonably priced in New Zealand?<br>
<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>]
On<br>
Behalf Of Colin Fraser<br>
Sent: Friday, 15 January 2010 5:00 p.m.<br>
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
Subject: Re: [DUG] What is the future for Delphi programmer?<br>
<br>
<br>
> >> But Google's phone just begin entering into the market.<br>
<br>
The 'Google Phone' has been around for quite a while now (I have had one for<br>
about a year... has not really been pushed in New Zealand)... Android is the<br>
Google OS, and quite a few companies make 'Google' or Android phones, eg,<br>
HTC (made the first released one, and also make the latest that Google is<br>
now selling directly), Samsung, Motorola and others I can't recall also make<br>
and sell them.<br>
<br>
The media hype seemed to peek because Google is selling the latest (running<br>
Android 2.1 I think) directly... not sure why the hype, but I am sure it is<br>
good for the phone and for Google...<br>
<br>
In terms of Development, Android is Java based (mainly), and comes with a<br>
few plugins for Eclipse to make things more easy... all free.<br>
<br>
iPhone has an XCode development environment, not to familiar with it...<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Colin<br>
<br>
<br>
The latest news is that Google are actually selling one now,<br>
<br>
On 15/01/2010, at 4:31 PM, Leigh Wanstead wrote:<br>
<br>
> May I ask what is the future between apple's iphone or Google's phone?<br>
><br>
> I saw that Google phone got Linux behind and no rip off fee from Apple<br>
which is great. But Google's phone just begin entering into the market.<br>
><br>
> Have a nice day<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Leigh<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Jeremy North<br>
> Sent: Friday, 15 January 2010 4:09 p.m.<br>
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
> Subject: Re: [DUG] What is the future for Delphi programmer?<br>
><br>
> Pro upgrade is $519 (AUD) for Delphi 2010.<br>
><br>
> Just because something is "free" doesn't make it a good
"investment".<br>
><br>
> The apple tools are way behind other IDE's for usability and<br>
functionality.<br>
><br>
> I suggest you download them and try them for yourself.<br>
><br>
> Oh, you'll need apple hardware as well to do that ;-)<br>
><br>
> I'm not a fan of OSX - it feels like I'm being forced to use a<br>
> computer with one arm tied behind my back and continually trying to<br>
> swat flies and work with the free arm...<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Jolyon Smith <<a
href="mailto:jsmith@deltics.co.nz">jsmith@deltics.co.nz</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>>> You can't deploy to the iPhone platform unless you pay.<br>
>><br>
>> $99 / $299<br>
>><br>
>> If there were a version of Delphi at those price points I would be
very<br>
>> happy.<br>
>><br>
>> :)<br>
>><br>
>> And unless I'm mistaken, those costs apply no matter whose tools you
are<br>
>> using to create the software.<br>
>><br>
>> $2000+ for Embarcadero Delphi 20XX for iPhone may even include that
$99<br>
>> cost, but it's still $2000+ vs $99 and free tools.<br>
>><br>
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