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<span style=
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"color:#000000 ">HI all,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">As a Delphi teacher for some many years I found the Turbos irrelevant, as components are a fundamental part of good OO programming, and it was impossible to teach Delphi properly without new components being able to be created and installed in the IDE.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Personally I'd like to see a $25 fee for Academic Delphi - get's the Students into the system - and that the compiler be limited to what they could do ... eg. a nag screen at the start of any application not started within Delphi, and something like a 30 min time limit for application execution. .. etc</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Otherwise the Delphi should run as per the real thing.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Students will get cracked versions otherwise, and they can be very creative at that.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">HTH</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Gary</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">A</span><span style=
"color:#FF0000 "><b>t 12:59 on 22/09/2009 you wrote </b></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>To : delphi@delphi.org.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>CC : </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>From: John Bird, johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
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"color:#008000 ">>Attached: </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>If Turbo versions of Delphi are not available, it is a great idea to have </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>them as PR to get students getting free versions to learn on. Without </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Embarcadero losing money on commercial sales.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Interested to hear others ideas how such editions could work.</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>My ideas:</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Preventing installation of components as in the past is simple - but some </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>large scale commercial programs could still be made, so I think it needs </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>more.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Either disabling printing if included (Rave reports) or all printing </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>carries a water mark "Student Edition - not for commercial use".</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-All program windows contains some signature eg "Student edition" in the </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>title bar</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-some smart restrictions on what can be produced.......eg cheap or free DB </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>licences limit to often only 5 connections. Maybe limit units to 4000 </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>lines of code, or forms to 30 components total, and listviews and grids to </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>200 lines,</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Programs might only run for 1 hour maximum and exit with a reminder screen, </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>or will not run at all after say 1-2 years.</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Alternatively charge strictly on a usage basis - eg start with $20 free </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>credit. Every compile takes 10cents of credit, every debugger run takes 20 </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>cents off, editing takes off 1 cent per hour. When credit is used up IDE </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>stops working, and you have to uninstall and reinstall. (Transaction based </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>charging like this is a favourite of mine, incorporated into some of my </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>programs).</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Expiry date on IDE, have to uninstall and reinstall to get more.</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Student edition could cost say $25 or be free, depending on how restricted.</span></span>
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"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>A combination of more than one of these would mean commercial developers </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>would still get the real versions, and be not too mean on students.</span></span>
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"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Choose what is good to limit, and let them otherwise have a fully functional </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>version - in reality they won't be writing very large programs, so that is </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>what to limit.</span></span>
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<span style=
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Personally I would favour the combination of</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-Watermarks on printing</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-limits on grid size and number of components on a form</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-programs run for 1 hour maximum.</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>John </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>_______________________________________________</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</span></span>
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