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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Nice email<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Have a nice day</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Leigh</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Paul A Norman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 19 September 2009 1:09 p.m.<br>
<b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dear Richard,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>" I however, am a professional software
developer."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I am sure that you are, infact from everything I have heard
of you and your work people should seriously consider looking at you and your
consultancy<br>
for any work espeically in areas of complexity that need special
expertise in advanced programing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>What I am trying to address here is the changed busines
model that the Delphi Community is being asked to swallow hook line and
sinker. It is true as you say that E need to make money. What we and they
are needing to look at is the model by which they wish to do so, realizing that
we are their cash cows!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now what is a "profesional programmer", just one
who receives their income by invoicing directly for progranmming work?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I beleive that it includes any one who due to their vocation
or occupation needs to use programing as ancillory part of what they do and
includes even those of us who do not invoice directly for the work. I
infact never invoice for what we do at all. in any way<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think it has been resaonibly well established here already
that Borland's problem was not its busines model, but project focuss. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>A friend at Victoria University once explained to me that
there were until recently two main business models at work in the world.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The British and the American styles, (USA - not Latin
American as Latin American approaches are often very close to the
NZ/Aussi way of thinking).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now in New Zealand the main Telecommunications cell phone
provider chose to follow the USA model. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>People felt too screwed down and not looked after and
when a British based firrm entered the market hundeds of thousands of us
transfered over.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My friend explained that the genreal USA model is to offer
the world and then put blockages in the way of people getting the prize - the
classic USA Insurance comany type reputation best exemplifies this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>All that they (USA) followed in this regard has not really
served the American people or American busines community well, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>obviously - witness the recent melt downs and the
issues they need to face and to sort it out longterm.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And a lot of that comes back to these basics that we are
speaking of.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The British approach is to offer good service and backup and
genrally keep to it even if it hurts the balance sheet temporarily.
Reputation being important.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Trusting that customer loyalty will be built and longterm
profitablilty assured.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And I think that that is the ethos that many NZ programmers
feel to follow themselves. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So natrually we look for it in our Software House(s). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And it was found with Delphi and the genreal policies that
surround it. Remember that did not fail Delphi -- loosing focus of us
developers and the tolls we need fowled Borland <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>- hopefully E and its agents like you can learn from that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now obviously Dlephi in E's hands has a good future if we
consumers of it feel that our frends and associates **all over the
world** will get a British type back up then we will "for free" <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>promote the product as we all use to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But in the absence of such deep felt assurance, look where
the discusion has gone on this thread. No longer about Delphi so much but
other languages.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now I still maintain that it is not right for people to have
to expect that the eighteen monnth cycle that you speak of is incorporating the
bug fixes that should be for free.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Often I dont need new IDE features - just the last one to
work properly. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Why shuold I have to pay what you say is 500 - 600 but it is
pointed out is $750 just to get bus fixes on the last thing I paid 700 -800
depending on exchange rates?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If E are going to effectively be removing upgrade rights,
then they need to provide full on bug fixes for products with out people
NEEDING to upgrade just to get the IDE working properly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>To let that notion that has been floated here, slip pass
would be silly for us as consumerers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have raised my experience as a real example of
things and yet hope for a good result that might genuinely encourage others.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2009/9/16 Richard Vowles <<a
href="mailto:richard@developers-inc.co.nz">richard@developers-inc.co.nz</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>2009/9/16 Paul A Norman <<a
href="mailto:paul.a.norman@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.a.norman@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>And I have heard nothing until Richard in this Forum smirked
last night was I actually using 2005? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>So is that the level of support and followup we can expect?<o:p></o:p></p>
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That was quite rude Paul.<br>
<br>
Paul, I am not, and have never been the reason you continue to use Delphi 2005.
I am also not responsible for the quality of Delphi 2005 and given most people
downgraded back to Delphi 7, find it hugely surprising you continue to use
Delphi 2005. IMHO, Borland was responsible for Delphi 2005, CodeGear and
Embarcadero have apologised enough for this version and have spent considerable
time, money and effort to make subsequent versions that they actually own and
are responsible for the best quality releases we have seen in a long time. But
they are a business and need to make money. It is time to move on. I pay for my
development tools and continue to invest in them - they are part of what I do
to make myself a better developer and produce code more effectively for my
customers. Tools, like time, training and all other effort is something you
invest in IMHO, and if you feel the time you spend with a less than effective
tool is worth more than the cost of upgrading to a product owned by a
completely different, there is little I feel the need to do about it.<br>
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I'm afraid $500-600 every 18 months for a new version of a Delphi Pro which
provides such incredible value would be the least of my decision making points.
Given I could delay that under current upgrade policy for years and still pay
the same amount for an even greater jump in productivity and capability makes
the cost of the upgrade, in my opinion, a no brainer. I however, am a
professional software developer.<br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
Richard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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