raises a good point. as a software developer, how much do you invest in yourself on a yearly basis for hardware and software costs to run a business? if you charge by the hour etc. or run a business.. there must be some kind of budget you allocate from the income stream to upkeep your hardware etc.<br>
<br><div>I know some people still running on 4-5 year old equipment.. its insane to me.. but thats just me.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Kyley Harris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Kyley@harrissoftware.com">Kyley@harrissoftware.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">well, I don't know what you consider expensive.. its all relative I guess.<div><br></div><div>my quad core 8gb ram with 500MB hdd and 2 24" monitors cost about $4000 with all the extras.. that was about 6 months+ ago..</div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't call that expensive at all for a business expense.. a plumber has a good $30K of tools and hardware.. software developers should have good tools to do a good job.. </div><div><br></div><div>
I agree.. those 30" are awesome.. Dell is the best value, and excellent quality.</div><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Alister Christie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alister@salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">alister@salespartner.co.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'd like to plug 2 monitors into my laptop, but not supported - a 30<br>
inch screen would be good to - but a bit expensive at the moment, plus<br>
it requires dual dvi (as far as I understand). I think I'll get a<br>
desktop for my next dev machine for just this reason.<br>
<div><br>
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Kyley Harris wrote:<br>
</div><div>> id never work on that little thing.. dvd player.. I have a Quad Core<br>
> with 2 22" montiors running 1600x1050<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Alister Christie<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>> <<a href="mailto:alister@salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">alister@salespartner.co.nz</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:alister@salespartner.co.nz" target="_blank">alister@salespartner.co.nz</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> except you'd go blind if you had to do any real dev work on because of<br>
> the small screen. I now plug an external 24 inch screen into my<br>
> laptop<br>
> for a similar reason (fewer headaches). The laptop does have a 17<br>
> inch<br>
> screen but at 1920x1200 things are a bit small. I remember when I was<br>
> first programming in Delphi on a 14 (maybe it was 15) inch monitor<br>
> - my<br>
> how things have changed.<br>
><br>
> Alister Christie<br>
> Computers for People<br>
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><br>
> Kyley Harris wrote:<br>
> > I have one of those $500 Asus EEE computers that runs windows XP on<br>
> > 256MB of ram, and a 4GB SSD.. takes 25seconds to boot up.. way<br>
> faster<br>
> > than any other laptop.. still has 120mb free ram and 1gb of disk<br>
> > space.. I plug a USB hdd into it and its great. battery life is<br>
> awesome<br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Stefan Mueller<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I am also keeping my eyes open for SSD .. those drives should be<br>
> > able to<br>
> > improve compile speeds drastically ... they have close to no<br>
> > seek-times and<br>
> > manage to read thousands of small files at high speed.<br>
> ><br>
> > I probably go with one of the PCIe cards coming out soon<br>
> (like OCZ<br>
> > Z-Drive,<br>
> > or PhotoFast Monster) if the price is ok. PCIe cards have the<br>
> > advantage that<br>
> > they get over the 300MBps (theoretical) limit that SATA-II has.<br>
> ><br>
> > The OCZ Vertex-II drive also looks promising:<br>
> ><br>
> <a href="http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task" target="_blank">http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task</a><br>
> <<a href="http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task" target="_blank">http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task</a>><br>
> > =view<br>
> ><br>
> <<a href="http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task%0A=view" target="_blank">http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task%0A=view</a><br>
> <<a href="http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task%0A=view" target="_blank">http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?Itemid=67&id=11365&option=com_content&task%0A=view</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Stefan<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>>><br>
</div></div><div><div></div><div>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>>>] On<br>
> > Behalf Of Ross Levis<br>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:56<br>
> > To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'<br>
> > Subject: Re: [DUG] [OFF-TOPIC] memory issues<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm looking forward to larger cheaper solid state drives which<br>
> > last up to<br>
> > 100 years, replacing hard drives which fail every few years.<br>
> 10+<br>
> > times<br>
> > faster than a hard drive. I've heard a PC with one of these<br>
> > drives can boot<br>
> > Windows XP in 4 seconds.<br>
> ><br>
> > Prices will get below US$2 per GB this year. It's still out<br>
> of my<br>
> > price<br>
> > range, but I'm considering upgrading my laptop's hard drive<br>
> to a 240GB<br>
> > SanDisk drive later this year.<br>
> > <a href="http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=8040" target="_blank">http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=8040</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Ross.<br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>><br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>>><br>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>><br>
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</div><div><div></div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>>>] On<br>
> > Behalf Of Richard Bullin<br>
> > Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 12:15 p.m.<br>
> > To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
> > Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS.exe memory issues<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm not really sure if 300mb classifies Delphi as a memory<br>
> hog if you<br>
> > look at getting one of the below computers with 192GB of ram, I<br>
> > foresee<br>
> > a surge in lazy programmers :)<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&" target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&</a><br>
> <<a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&" target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&</a>><br>
> > articleId=9130538<br>
> ><br>
> <<a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&%0AarticleId=9130538" target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&%0AarticleId=9130538</a><br>
> <<a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&%0AarticleId=9130538" target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&%0AarticleId=9130538</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Richard<br>
> ><br>
> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>><br>
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</div><div><div></div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</a>>>]<br>
> > On Behalf Of Alister Christie<br>
> > Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 12:01 p.m.<br>
> > To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br>
> > Subject: Re: [DUG] BDS.exe memory issues<br>
> ><br>
> > Currently I'm on 254MB.<br>
> ><br>
> > Close Delphi - 0MB<br>
> > Open Delphi - 11MB<br>
> > Open Project - 71MB<br>
> > Compile - 154MB (peaking at around 170MB)<br>
> > Open a Project with modeling support - 215MB<br>
> ><br>
> > And the numbers just keep going up from there the more you do.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think it's fair to say that it is a bit of a memory hog.<br>
> Although I<br>
> > have 6 chrome processes running currently eating up a total<br>
> of 155MB.<br>
> ><br>
> > I guess we could turn this into a discussion of who is<br>
> running the<br>
> > most<br>
> > memory hungry App and/or instance of Delphi currently?<br>
> > (Currently Jeremy leads at 307MB)<br>
> ><br>
> > Alister Christie<br>
> > Computers for People<br>
> > Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266<br>
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> > Johnsonville<br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Jeremy Coulter wrote:<br>
> > > Does anyone else get issues with BDS.exe (delphi 2007) using a<br>
> > HEAP of<br>
> ><br>
> > > memory?<br>
> > > at the moment its sitting on 307mb of mem usage !<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Admittedly my current machine only has 2GB (new machine<br>
> has been<br>
> > > ordered....YAY) but seriously, thats HEAPS.<br>
> > > In saying that, I notic that FireFox is sitting on 131mb too.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > just wondered if this is a common issue, and if there is a<br>
> > solution to<br>
> ><br>
> > > it or not.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Jeremy<br>
> > ><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Kyley Harris<br>Harris Software<br>+64-21-671-821<br>
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