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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Well a good thing is to look at
actual data.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>A couple of standard
surveys:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><A
href="http://www.langpop.com/">http://www.langpop.com/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>worth scrolling down thru all the
different graphs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><A
href="http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html">http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>The one for last year had Delphi at
#8, and showed since 2003 to 2008 that it has somewhat increased in
popularity. It rates Delphi as #11 now so doesn't provide the
historical graph this year for Delphi (only the top 10 are shown). Delphi
is an oddity in being much more popular outside US (Firefox is the same -
there are now more Firefox V3 users in Europe than IE7 users).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>A couple of things are
clear:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>The biggest langiuges are
consistently C and Java</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Strong interest in C++, Ruby, Python,
PHP, Visual Basic and C#.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Also featuring a lot are Javascript,
Perl, SQL. Javascript optimised compilers/runtimes are a big growth area,
as large parts of Firefox are written in Javascript (There are some
66 .js files in a firefox installation totalling some 2MB). It is
also a significant player in many web pages for performance and
functionality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#000000
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>There is an interesting graph showing
the growth of dynamcially type languages vs statically typed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>As far as C# goes, I am still
wondering what sort of projects (other than lots of business inhouse
projects for Windows PC's) are using C#, as the proof is what uses it in
practice - It doesn't look like for instance that Microsoft uses much dot net in
their core Windows and Office products.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I have seen technical white papers
which unfortunately I did not get copies of (as MS were rather unhappy about it
and they have generally disappeared) analysing Windows Vista's binaries, to find
that only about 5% were built using identifiable parts of the .net framework,
and most of these were in the media parts of Windows. I also was somewhat
surprised when I installed D2007 - the IDE uses the .NET V2 framework and
as part of the installation it had to install this - that is it is NOT part of a
standard Windows Vista installation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Others comments on C#
welcomed!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I would hazard a guess that the most
interesting technologies today are those that would allow the holy grail of
being accessable over as many of the following environments as possibel:
Windows/Mac/Mobiles/Unix. The most promising of these (seen from a great
distance because I am not familiar with any of them to use) are XUL (Mozilla),
various Open GL, QT (used in Safari for Mac and Windows versions), and .NET
which gets good reviews for doing Windows and Web stuff.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Personally I suspect that desktops
will start to phase out, replaced by mobile devices with RDP connections to
servers or web servers for the grunty stuff, and I don't think anyone has
figured out that environment yet, and MS does not have a clear lead
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I have seen this before, working for
years with those well engineered DEC PDP's, with the large complex OS
being eaten up by the woefully underpowered PC's when they appeared and quickly
took over. IBM and DEC (numbers 1 and 2 computer companies) were
caught completely flat-footed with high cost computers and monolithic
OS's and so got killed. DEC does not even exist any more - it
used to be bigger than Microsoft.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I reckon the woefully inadequate
mobile devices - Phones/ Iphones/Android/iPod Touch etc are about to do
the same thing again to the desktop PC. In such a case the question
is bigger than which language is the best - its more which OS will be
predominant or exist in a few years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>John Bird<BR>JBCL<BR>Contact:<BR><A
href="mailto:johnkbird@paradise.net.nz">johnkbird@paradise.net.nz</A><BR>03-3844527,
027 4844528<BR><A
href="http://jbclnz.googlepages.com">http://jbclnz.googlepages.com</A><BR><A
href="http://www.jbcl.co.nz">http://www.jbcl.co.nz</A></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Kyley@harrissoftware.com href="mailto:Kyley@harrissoftware.com">Kyley
Harris</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=delphi@delphi.org.nz
href="mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz">NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Future of us Delphi
programmer in New Zealand?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>haha.. I simply am
watching the market and trends of delphi in this country, and I've kept track
of many of the companies I know that use delphi.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Most of the companies that had delphi developers now have 1 or 2 maximum
on staff. the rest is outsourced offshore, or they are now using other
languages and following modern trends of c# etc.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I am in the position of writing and selling software, so choosing delphi
is fine.. my customers are not concerned by the language used, only the end
product..</DIV>
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<DIV>More and more, I see other bigger companies ditch delphi for other
languages.. So I said no hope, meaning.. If you loose your delphi employment,
and are seeking a new job as an employee, rather than as an independant
software vendor.. its getting slimmer and slimmer pickings in the
market.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Leigh Wanstead <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:leighw@softtech.co.nz">leighw@softtech.co.nz</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Why no
hope?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you
have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=im>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN lang=EN-AU
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have a nice day</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Leigh</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz"
target=_blank>delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Kyley
Harris<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 9 April 2009 9:55 a.m.<BR><B>To:</B> NZ
Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] Future
of us Delphi programmer in New Zealand?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>As a company,
fine.. as an employee? no hope :)<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Leigh Wanstead
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:leighw@softtech.co.nz"
target=_blank>leighw@softtech.co.nz</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Before
this happy Easter holiday, I am thinking what future about us
Delphi<BR>programmer in New Zealand? Will we have to program in C#?
;-)<BR><BR>I am programming AVR/Microchip assembler in my spare time. I
am a fast<BR>learner. ;-)<BR><BR>Have a nice
day<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Leigh<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>NZ
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