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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=125124820-29082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>But Trevor, you DO have Delphi for OSX....even for Linux,
FreeBSD, Nintendo....and a number of other OS's, its called Lazarus
!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=125124820-29082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Admittedly, I find it a little qwercky at times, and the
files it generates are even bigger than Dephi ones, but there are documents
around that show you why they are bigger, and how thats a good thing
:-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=125124820-29082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>And if you want to develop OSX tools, theres always good
old Java you can use....eww.... :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=125124820-29082008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jeremy</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Trevor<BR><B>Sent:</B>
29 August 2008 21:55<BR><B>To:</B> 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [DUG] iPhone<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Richard,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I’m glad that
you are lucky enough to own a Mac Book and I hope that you enjoy using
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> But I must
challenge your statement that Apple is all about detail and
style.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Sure, Apple apps
can look nicer than Microsoft apps, but Apple apps work in a very restricted
domain.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I love my iPod
touch and my apple TV, but neither of them would work as well as they do if my
Windows box didn’t make it possible to re-encode nearly anything into a format
supported by the apple devices.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I find it
annoying that there are all sorts of hoops that I have to jump through before I
can get content that I have purchased legally onto the Apple
devices.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Sony is even
worse.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Microsoft has an
enormous advantage in being much more open than
Apple.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I can’t believe
that I just wrote that, but it is true.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> The thing that I
don’t understand is why Microsoft has squandered their advantage by being
crap.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Apple TV
works way better than MS Media extender. Apple put a hard disk into
their box whereas Microsoft (with their extenders) rely on the
network.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I reckon that
the MS approach will be better in the long run because it is more open, but
Apple (by working with devices and networks that are available today) have the
opportunity to provide a reasonable user experience now, and take advantage of
tech advances when they happen.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> As a <st1:place
w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> programmer, I find myself pretty much stuck with
what MS has to offer, and to tell the truth I don’t find that particularly
limiting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> It would be nice
if MS had done a better job with their <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Media</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> stuff. I like a lot of things
about what they have done, but they haven’t managed to capture the simplicity
and ease of use that Apple has. MS Media Center is easily as polished as
anything that Apple has produced, but just doesn’t quite work as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I haven’t tried
building <st1:place w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> projects in a VM hosted by
OSX. I usually work within a MS OS, typically <st1:place
w:st="on">Vista</st1:place>, and everything is dandy for
me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> If OSX had a
tool like Delphi, I reckon that all bets would be off, OSX and Apple would win
hands down, but there is no <st1:place w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> for
OSX.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Heck, even
running iTunes on Win32 you can see how it could be better as a native Win32
Delphi app. Sometimes I can’t believe how slow it is to respond to
something as simple as a mouse click. If my <st1:place
w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> apps were as sluggish as that, I don’t know what I
would say (but I probably couldn’t repeat it here).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Have you really
looked at what iTunes offers when you right click on something? It is
usually garbage, and nowhere near as relevant as what you might get with a
well-written <st1:place w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place>
app.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz
[mailto:delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Richard Vowles<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, 29 August 2008 6:06
p.m.<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> NZ Borland Developers
Group - <st1:place w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> List<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [DUG]
iPhone</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Being the owner of a MacBook, and mostly
running on OS X (and using VMWare for Windows when I need it and finding that it
runs nice and quickly), I would say that the difference between Apple and
Microsoft is attention to detail. Apple is all about detail and style - and OS X
is just simply nicer to use than Windows (<st1:place w:st="on">Vista</st1:place>
included). *Really* nice ot use.<BR><BR>Richard<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2008/8/29 Robert martin <<A
href="mailto:rob@chreos.co.nz">rob@chreos.co.nz</A>><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Agreed. Apple is actually worse than
MS. Apple gets praise for doing<BR>things that MS would get anti trusts
for. Its a matter of size and<BR>marketing.<BR><BR>I personally think
Apples current strength is marketing not Software
/<BR>hardware.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- <BR>---<BR>Richard Vowles, Technical
Advisor<BR>Developers Inc Ltd<BR>web. <A
href="http://www.developers-inc.co.nz">http://www.developers-inc.co.nz</A><BR>ph.
+64-9-3600231, mob. +64-275-467747, fax. +64-9-3600384<BR>skype. rvowles,
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