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<span style=
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"color:#000000 ">HI All,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Just in case you got confused like me, it is "Embarcadero".</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Frankly, I'm not too fussed about who it is at the moment - but I will be in 6 - 12 months time no doubt. It is what they do with Codegear / Delphi that is the question.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Borland has always had an inverse relationship between technology and marketing - perhaps a sign of financial constraints. Unfortunately when Borland lost the "Inprise" name and came back to being Borland, they forgot to bring back the culture which was their success.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">What I hope is that Embarcadero create the tools that developers really need and want, but also that they can do a better job at marketing and convince those in the "middle ground" that it is a better option than the safe M$ platforms.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">BTW "Delphi" is the brand that has worldwide recognition. So if they lose "Codegear" not much will be lost.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Personally I see quite a fit. Delphi made it's name with tight integration with databases (BDE), and Embarcadero have this as their focus. They also seem to be committed to cross platform technologies.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Let's hope the "cross platform" message truly gets across, and we see Kylix with a little more focus / upgrade - even if only a "deploy to Linux" compile option in Delphi. ( and make Leigh happy!! )</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">"David I" seems to be truly excited about it, as not only does he have to find another job until retirement <g> , but there is an opportunity to make ground in new territory. </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">I trust Embarcadero will come to the party.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">cheers</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Gary</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">A</span><span style=
"color:#FF0000 "><b>t 12:33 on 8/05/2008 you wrote </b></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>To : delphi@delphi.org.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>CC : </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>From: Richard Vowles, richard@developers-inc.co.nz</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Content Type: text/plain</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Attached: </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Ha!</span></span>
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"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Sorry, I just got busy. Er, I didn't read all the way through it until</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>someone said it was cheap - and yes, I think $23m was way too low!</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>What do I think? Well I'm glad they are away from Borland for one thing -</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>CodeGear's back office infrastructure has been pretty dire because they have</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>had to use Borland's - nothing to do with CodeGear itself, all to do with</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Borland. So I'm hoping that will change. Given it is the sale of the</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>*assets*, I'm not sure what is going to happen now. We have two seminars</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>scheduled for June (one Delphi one by the way!) and I don't really know what</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>will happen, so I need to get confirmation on whether to go ahead with them.</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>The Delphi presentation was going to be held in Auckland, Hamilton and</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Christchurch (as Wellington is such a small community it doesn't make</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>economic sense unless Alistair wishes to donate the use of his presentation</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>room :-) I'll talk more about it once I know more!</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>So yeah, don't know what to think - don't know how it affects us and our</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>plans. Given Delphi is the jewel in the crown of CodeGear, I think that is</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>probably the reason they were interested in CodeGear...</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Richard</span></span>
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<span style=
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Richard Vowles, Technical Advisor</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Developers Inc Ltd</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>web. http://www.developers-inc.co.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>ph. +64-9-3600231, mob. +64-275-467747, fax. +64-9-3600384</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>skype. rvowles, LinkedIn, Twitter</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>need me to do something for you? send me a task</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> -----Original Message-----</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> From: delphi-bounces@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> bounces@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Conor Boyd</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 10:13 AM</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Subject: RE: [DUG] So Embacadero has purchased CodeGear....</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Well, I don't know what they're getting for their money, but I would</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> have thought it was very cheap.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Additionally, given that they were talking about US$100m+ 2 years ago,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> it definitely is.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Richard, since you lobbed this little news item in and ran away ;-),</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> I'm</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> interested to know what your thoughts are on the subject?</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>_______________________________________________</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</span></span>
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