<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000" size="2">Sounds very encouraging Richard - sounds like a major shift.</font></font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2">When you registered your product at Borland . .that was it, . . sort of like you went into limbo in the past.</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2">When 2005 came out with all of its probs I tried to use the recenltly established Quality Control, and gave up after the first few times. The online version kept crashing, and the desktop version often couldn't make a connection.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2">So not surprissingly I started to think if thats their new committment to backing up their own product, what hope is there!</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2">In the end I evalutaed the IDE along the lines of someone who had received an application from me, that still does what the D2005 IDE often does. My 'client' would not be happy and might not trust me for future projects!
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2">So if things pan out as you are sharing, that would be a reason for hope in a better Delphi future.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"><font color="#000000" size="3"></font><br>There is a really different attitude in the DevCo side of the business that I am now on. Really, really different. It is so pro-Developer, pro-Quality, pro-getting out there that it is quite astounding.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">About your inability to receive our special offers, there isn't much I can do about that at the moment either. I do hope to be able to sort out all of these issues in the short term. But there is some internal structural changes going on at Borland. Also be aware that if you have an anti-Spam filter, or you have had one in the past you may no longer get emails from us.
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<div>Never had a spam filter, use a washer manually.</div>
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<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I am planning a Delphi User Group meeting for next month, I want it to focus on "news/roadmap" and some valuable stuff. I would like to focus an evening around win32, .net and a show case - so everyone gets value.
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<p>Look forward to learning more.</p>
<div>Thanks Richard,</div>
<div>paul<br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 27/04/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Richard Vowles</b> <<a href="mailto:Richard.Vowles@borland.com">Richard.Vowles@borland.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Unfortunately, I am not in a position to authoratively answer your questions. Borland as far as I know has no plans to host Delphi on Eclipse (JBuilder is going that way though), the comment about the credit cards is that DevCo has to get back to being value for the developer - the one who buys, not the big company with the CTO/CIO who issues the big purchase orders.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Are there going to be any more updates for D2005? Not that I am aware of. Do I know that DevCo are hiring more R&D staff? Yes - they are committed to significantly expanding the R&D team. The comment about "Borland can't make money out of the IDE business" is rubbish - it can't make money out of the Java IDE business with its current strategy but that comment has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the Delphi business - or InterBase business for that matter.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">There is a really different attitude in the DevCo side of the business that I am now on. Really, really different. It is so pro-Developer, pro-Quality, pro-getting out there that it is quite astounding.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">About your inability to receive our special offers, there isn't much I can do about that at the moment either. I do hope to be able to sort out all of these issues in the short term. But there is some internal structural changes going on at Borland. Also be aware that if you have an anti-Spam filter, or you have had one in the past you may no longer get emails from us.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">If you want to talk about this offline, and off-email then call me and I'd be happy to chew the fat as it were :-) </font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I am planning a Delphi User Group meeting for next month, I want it to focus on "news/roadmap" and some valuable stuff. I would like to focus an evening around win32, .net and a show case - so everyone gets value.
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Richard</font></span></div></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2">Richard Vowles, Solutions Architect, Borland New Zealand</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz" target="_blank">
delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul A Norman<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 27 April 2006 2:38 p.m.</font></div>
<div style="DIRECTION: ltr"><span class="q"><br><b>To:</b> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List<br></span></div>
<div style="DIRECTION: ltr"><span class="q"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [DUG] More Delphi news...<br></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">Thanks Richard,</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">I think that folks might like to see the warning in another article on the same site you point us to Richard. Entitled "<font color="#000000"><strong>Borland gambles without developers
</strong></font>" (<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/02/09/borland_exits_ide_market/" target="_blank">http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/02/09/borland_exits_ide_market/
</a>) it is a chilling insight into what is happening at a deep level, and there is little in the new article to make me feel any happier than thinking that Borland (and who ever developes the IDE) wants to have its cake and eat the crumbs (
<u>us</u>) as well.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">What do people think, does all of that newest article (<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/26/brown_borland_tools/" target="_blank">
<font size="2">http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/04/26/brown_borland_tools/</font></a>) reflect solid, careful, purposeful thinking, or is it just some market anaylist just trying to skim the best ideas from things happening already from other inovaters like Red Hat etc ?
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<div>"There is a model with the likes of Red Hat making money from support and added services. Borland is a global company and the IDE business will be global," Brown said. "It will be a matter of how can we get more of the IDE products into developers hands for good money,
<font color="#cc0000"><u><strong>and [being] less hung up on licensing model</strong></u></font>," Brown said. "When we spin off the IDE business we will be a big startup."</div>
<p>"Another challenge is who will buy Borland's tools. One reason Borland moved into ALM and upped its pitch was to target executives and IT directors who - unlike developers - hold the keys to the large purchasing decisions. It seems Borland's IDE business will try to shift pricing to suit the budgets of
<font color="#cc0000">developers, whose spending runs to several thousand dollars and can be put through on a credit card</font>. "We won't be speaking to CTOs except in rare instances," Brown said.</p>
<p>"Borland is evaluating subscriptions,<font color="#ff0000"> <u><strong>but</strong></u></font><u><strong> <font color="#ff0000">Brown noted there is unlikely to be a change in the short term to the current licensing-base approach
</font></strong></u>. The IDE business also expects to use <font color="#993399">web-based marketing</font> to reach developers."</p></blockquote>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000099"><font color="#000066">So they are going to do more with less? and keep more people happy? What is this talk of paid services -</font> <u><strong>make us cash cows</strong> <font color="#cc0000">
"developers, whose spending runs to several thousand dollars and can be put through on a credit card"</font></u> </font><font color="#000066">instead of properly resourcing us initially with decent help files and stuff (as happened D2005 forward?)
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">"<em>Support</em>" on things that aren't properly explained or made to work properly in the first place, now to be charged to our '<font color="#cc0000">several thousand dollar
</font>' credit cards?</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066"><u>For the first time ever</u> I would have to ask, will the IDE development company be giving me value for money, now that the traditional corporate culture of Borland, service, reliability, character, and longterm commitment, all good traits, are not guranteed in a new entity that is already simply evaluating the limit on my credit card? And thow to pull more out from us?
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">Did someone else mention Lazarus, Mono and so on today . . . . ?</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">Does there need to be careful thoiught into whether getting money into Lazarus, or like, would pay better dividends long term than just becoming cash cows to soneone elses share holders?
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">I still don't have a D2005 that works properly . . . any more<font color="#000099"> </font><strong><em><font color="#cc0000">free</font></em></strong></font><font color="#000099"> </font>
<font color="#000066">fixes for that in the pipeline?</font></div>
<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000066">As far as the new <font color="#993399">web marketing satrategy</font> goes, I never got advised of the discounted offers on the D2006. Yet I ticked every box ever put in front of me to request such notifications.
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<div>"Brown is placing his faith in the concept of "smaller means more efficient." He believes a smaller organization, independent of the large Borland machine, will have more resources to develop features and functions instead of just "writing infrastructure." Brown estimates that
<font color="#006600">two thirds of resources for JBuilder went into building infrastructure</font> and just one third into features. </div></blockquote>
<div><font color="#000066">Can you have features with out being supported by a decent infrstructure?</font></div>
<div><font color="#000066">What is meant here? reliance ion the IBM Eclipse and conmnected projects?</font></div>
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<div><font color="#000066">- or <u>gold from lead</u> via <strong>our</strong> credit cards?</font><br> </div></span></div>
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<div style="DIRECTION: ltr"><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 27/04/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Richard Vowles</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Richard.Vowles@borland.com" target="_blank">
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