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<span style=
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"color:#000000 ">Also check out the whole section:</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">http://info.borland.com/techpubs/delphi/</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">There is the Delphi 2005 (1676 pages in PDF format) help. Check out page 109 for more on debugging.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">kr</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#000000 ">Gary</span></span>
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<span style=
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"color:#000000 ">A</span><span style=
"color:#FF0000 "><b>t 11:08 on 15/02/2006 you wrote </b></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>To : delphi@ns3.123.co.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>CC : </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>From: Leigh Wanstead, leigh@softtech.co.nz</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Content Type: text/plain</span></span>
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<span style=
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"color:#008000 ">>Attached: </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Hi John,</span></span>
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<span style=
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>In case that you do not have access the book. Here is an article published</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>by Borland.</span></span>
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"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>http://info.borland.com/techpubs/delphi/delphi5/qs/environ.html</span></span>
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<span style=
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"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Search section title Debugging applications and you will get your answer.</span></span>
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<span style=
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"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Regards</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Leigh</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>-----Original Message-----</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>From: "John Bird" <johnkbird@paradise.net.nz></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>To: "'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'" <delphi@ns3.123.co.nz></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:31:20 +1300</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Subject: RE: [DUG] I broke the D2006 debugger</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> "just basic knowledge about how to debug in Delphi" you might tell me</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> where</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> this is documented in the debugger help, and where this basic knowledge</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> comes from - how did you get it for instance? (someone told you,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> hopefully</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> kindly). Remember most operations in a GUI environment are based on</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> many</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> implicit assumptions on how things on the screen behave. For someone</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> not</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> educated in an assumption they are not obvious...</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> I remember reading of Steve Balmer watching through a two way mirror at</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> one</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> of the first useability labs of MS Word for windows - users were</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> instructed</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> to drag the mouse down to scroll down the page, and some users, new to</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> a</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> mouse, were seen to run the mouse down the leg of the desk. He</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> literally</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> tore his hair out at how much he realised users had to be taought and</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> said</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> the profound lesson is that you cannot assume users understand anything</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> that</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> is obvious to you....they will not and they will break it!</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> "He who asks a question is a fool for a moment, he who doesn't ask a</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> question is a fool forever"</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> -Albert Einstein</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> John</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> -----Original Message-----</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> From: delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> [mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz] On</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Behalf Of Leigh Wanstead</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2006 7:59 a.m.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> To: delphi@ns3.123.co.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Subject: RE: [DUG] I broke the D2006 debugger</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Hi John,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> I did not receive your previous email. But base on what you said in</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> your</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> post, I must say that is just basic knowledge about how to debug in</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Delphi.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> I think Delphi do a proper job as what instructed to do. Nothing wrong</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> about</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Delphi. The only thing I can suggest is to read a Delphi starter book</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> which</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> I recalled that I suggested you long time ago in DUG mailing list IIRC.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Regards</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Leigh</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> http://www.salenz.com</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > I wasn't sure how to close it (did it via browser), but I added a </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > comment I regard it as closed - except I suggested that the IDE</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> should </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > either not allow breakpoints to be entered if debug compile is turned</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > off, or warn if</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > they are there.</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > Otherwise people like me who don't know will be completely mystified,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > even if its obvious to others. Remember the days before you knew </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > really really</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > obvious things - someone had to teach you them. I still remember my</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > first</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > day on a computer keyboard when someone told me to press Control/Z,</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> and</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > I</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > said "What is this Control thing?" now it seems obvious but it sure</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> as</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > hell</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > wasn't then. And the IDE in this case didn't help with any hint....</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > In the end I solved it by taking the hint about blue dots missing and</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > googling "delphi blue dots missing when compile" and it gave lots of </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > references about search paths (which wasn't the problem) and stray </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > dcu's (which also wasn't) and one reference among dozens about </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > compiler option -D</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > and +D (which sort of was).</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> > John</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> _______________________________________________</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Delphi mailing list</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Delphi@ns3.123.co.nz http://ns3.123.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> </span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> _______________________________________________</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Delphi mailing list</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> Delphi@ns3.123.co.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>> http://ns3.123.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</span></span>
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"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">></span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>_______________________________________________</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Delphi mailing list</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>Delphi@ns3.123.co.nz</span></span>
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<span style=
"font-family:MS Sans Serif "><span style=
"color:#008000 ">>http://ns3.123.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi</span></span>
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