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<div> . . .I think the exception is being taken by people reading this phrasing in the license:<br><br>"You may not use the Software for any commercial or production purpose. "<br><br>Instead of it being written (as other software houses do) :--
<br><br>"You may not use the BETA Software for any commercial or production <br>purpose. "<br><br>The difference in Oracle choosing the first course of action does not escape people in today's world. If it were an oversight, might they not want to correct it?
<br><br>And then in the FAQ <br><br>"Who should use Oracle Database XE? . . .<br><br>• Independent Software Vendors (ISVs) who want to embed an Oracle <br>database in their application or product to extend customer value at no
<br>additional cost <br><br>Indeed the two do not match up in a major way.<br><br>Paul</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 04/11/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul A Norman</b> <<a href="mailto:paul.a.norman@gmail.com">paul.a.norman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div>Oracle's response so far has been a sort of side-stepping red tapeish approach.</div>
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<div>They have a forum you have to register for to pose the question. But to register for it you have to answer *compulsory* questions by radio check box, which can not be answered unless you have already downloaded the software.
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<div>But I can not agree to their terms and conditions in downloading the software until they explain the apparent inconsitancies that Paul Heniz (above) has rightly pointed out between their promotional material and their small print in the license you have to agree to.
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<div>So I have not downloaded the software, and can therefore not answer their questions, and so can not enter their dedicated forum for people who have downloaded the software, to ask them about downloading the software!
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<div>John Cleese is in town isn't he? Sort of seems like that . . .</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 02/11/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul A Norman</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:paul.a.norman@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.a.norman@gmail.com
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 02/11/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Stefan Mueller</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:muellers@orcl-toolbox.com" target="_blank">muellers@orcl-toolbox.com
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A bit shorter to the point would have been nice …nobody likes to read a 5 page copy/paste.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For the next time:</span></font></p>
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.. but I am sure you will get an answer anyway from one of the product managers.. and I am curious as to what it will be!
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stefan</span></font><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz" target="_blank">
delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul A Norman<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Wednesday, November 02, 2005
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<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Delphi</span></font></span><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> List<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
Subject:</span></b> Re: [DUG] FYI Oracle make free entry level 4Gb userdatabaseavailalable</span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I've just made a post quoting the concerns here on an Oracle Forum, wiil relay what ever comes forward there, for those with one of those Oracle (free beer?) sign ins:
<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=337407" target="_blank">http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=337407</a></span></font></p>
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<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:paul.a.norman@gmail.com" target="_blank">paul.a.norman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span> </p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">From the associated offical FAQ, this information needs to be reconciled to the above license details, I think Oracle would have a hard time of it in an
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<p><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Who should use Oracle Database XE? </span></font></b></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Oracle Database XE is the perfect choice for many different groups, including: </span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Can I use Oracle Database XE for free development? </span></font></b></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Yes. There are no database license costs associated with developing applications for Oracle Database XE which offers the complete integrated set of Oracle Database programming interfaces including:
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<p><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Can I use Oracle Database XE for free deployment? </span></font></b></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Oracle Database XE is free for runtime usage with the following limitations: </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Symbol" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</span></font> <font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">• Supports up to 4GB of user data (in addition to Oracle system data) </span>
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<p><font face="Symbol" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</span></font> <font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">• Only uses and executes on one processor in any server </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Symbol" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</span></font> <font size="4"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">• Can use up to 1GB RAM</span></font><font size="1"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt">
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<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Richard.Vowles@borland.com" target="_blank">Richard.Vowles@borland.com</a>> wrote:</span><span> </span></p></div></span></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Arial" color="blue" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now _that_ was worth knowing.</span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Richard Vowles, Solutions Architect, Borland </span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
New Zealand</span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">email: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:richard.vowles@borland.com" target="_blank">
richard.vowles@borland.com</a></span></font></p>
<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">phone: +64-9-9184573</span></font></p>
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richard.vowles@borland.com</a>, skype: rvowles</span></font> </p>
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<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz" target="_blank">delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz" target="_blank">
delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Heinz<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
Wednesday, 2 November 2005</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
3:14 p.m.</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> NZ Borland Developers Group - </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2">
<span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Delphi</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> List<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
Subject:</span></b> RE: [DUG] FYI Oracle make free entry level 4Gb user databaseavailalable <br></span></font><span lang="EN-US"><br> </span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ah, yes. But do read the fine print i.e. the license agreement,</span></font> </p></blockquote>
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