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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hadn’t quite worked out it was Bold
renamed, repackaged and then improved. Makes sense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Probably not relevant to us at present (we
are some of those people who use stored procs for database access ;-) but might
be tempting enough for other projects to make it worth picking up a cheaper
copy of Architect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I take it that is THE difference between <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Enterprise</st1:place></st1:City> and Architect?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Vowles<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 16 March 2005
3:31 p.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NZ Borland Developers Group - <st1:place
w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [DUG] Special offer
for D2005 Architect upgrade</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Well, given that ECO II supports existing
database schemas (it has an O/R mapping mechanism now), pretty much ANYONE who
wants to do ORM would want to use it. Given that I simply would not write an
application that used any other mechanism for 95% of the application (it is
simply too tedious), ECO II seems like a good bet. The fact that you can
override ECO and drop into SQL for those situations where you need to control
the SQL is great. You can control pretty much every facet of ECO II now,
which is much more flexible than Bold or ECO I was. There are other O/R
mapping products out there, but ECO II beats them all hands down - I went to a
.NET seminar showing a review of the state of play in .NET about 4 months ago
and they all are pitiful in comparison. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>ORM doesn't suit everyone, clearly that is
the case, but if you are doing business applications - even if you are
maintaining an existing application by writing new modules, ECO II has a huge
amount of offer in terms of productivity and maintainability in code. The only
thing it doesn't handle very well is the situation where people use stored
procedures to read and write from their databases, and even then, you can get
around that if you are determined (but it may not be worth the effort). </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Richard Vowles</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Borland Solutions Architect</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>phone: +64-9-9184573</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>mobile: +64-21-467747</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>email: <a
href="mailto:richard.vowles@borland.com">richard.vowles@borland.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>im: msn: <a
href="mailto:richard.vowles@borland.com">richard.vowles@borland.com</a>, skype:
rvowles</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Brennan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 16 March 2005
3:20 p.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'NZ Borland Developers Group -
<st1:place w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [DUG] Special offer
for D2005 Architect upgrade</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can anyone explain (in plain English
preferably) why anyone would need/want the Architect version of Delphi 2005
instead of the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Enterprise</st1:City></st1:place>
version?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From what I can see the only extra
functionality is ECO II. Is this correct or are there older Delphi 7 Architect
features which aren’t in the Delphi 2005 <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Enterprise</st1:City></st1:place> version? And what would ECO II
<really> be used for?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>David.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces@ns3.123.co.nz] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Vowles<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 16 March 2005
2:29 p.m.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> NZ Borland Developers Group - <st1:place
w:st="on">Delphi</st1:place> List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [DUG] Special offer for
D2005 Architect upgrade</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Hi everyone,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There is a special offer on at the moment, we accidently
shipped 25 copies of D2005 Architect to a customer (wrong version) and rather
than send them back to Singapore, they are being offered here for $2500 each
(instead of the normal $3500) - so if you were thinking of upgrading your D2005
to Enterprise or Architect, now is a good time. They have been able to keep the
offer open until the end of next week. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If you are interested, phone either 04-9136060 or 09-3600231
and ask to speak to Shane Varcoe. Or email him on <a
href="mailto:shane.varcoe@borland.com">shane.varcoe@borland.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Oh, and patch #2 is out! If you didn't already know.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>Richard</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>---</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Richard Vowles</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>phone: +64-9-9184573</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:Arial'>mobile: +64-21-467747</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>email: <a
href="mailto:richard.vowles@borland.com">richard.vowles@borland.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>im: msn: <a
href="mailto:richard.vowles@borland.com">richard.vowles@borland.com</a>, skype:
rvowles</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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