[DUG] Oh oh - Delphi is apparently not good for your CV

[Jay Daley]

Adrian

I haven’t looked properly at Lazarus in a couple of years, but what I have noticed recently is that TMS Software who make UI components I rely on, are switching from making VCL/FMX specific components to their own FNC framework which supports Lazarus+LCL as well as the usual Delphi+VCL/WEB/FMX.

Jay

> On 7/09/2020, at 4:01 PM, Adrian Williams <adrian at aerosupport.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As a pretty inexperienced Delphi developer, I've been reading the comments about the cost of Delphi upgrades with some interest. I'm still using D7 (no comments please!), mainly due to limited resources in obtaining a current version in my current situation - it's a long story.
> 
> But I would be interested in some constructive comments (no flame war please!) on how something like Lazarus and FPC stacks up against modern Delphi (Jan noted that open source is improving).
> 
> Thanking you in advance for any helpful contribution.
> 
> Regards
> Adrian
> 
> Jan Bakuwel wrote on 7.09.2020 3:38 p.m.:
>> Hi Jeremy, Tony et al,
>> 
>> It could well be that Delphi is being milked for the value that's left
>> in it and then gets dumped. It's a common strategy in a world where
>> equity firms main focus is on getting something for nothing. The whole
>> perpetual must-upgrade process is of course by design. A "breaking"
>> release once every 5 or even 10 years and an active strategy on fixing
>> bugs would indeed be very welcome.
>> 
>> As you say, it is what it is. I'm not holding my breath. Fortunately the
>> alternatives are getting better every day, especially open source
>> platforms & frameworks.
>> 
>> Jan
>> 
>> On 7/09/20 10:40 am, Jeremy Coulter wrote:
>>> As much as I love Delphi, the component installation process has
>>> always bugged me, but I just put it down to it just being one of the
>>> things to deal with. It does mean you have to have a thinking about
>>> and plan your upgrades, which is a good thing.
>>> We heard back from Embarcadero and we didnt get very far with our pricing.
>>> We have renewed out lics because we were running out of time, but I
>>> suspect that this might be our last upgrade year as well. I cant speak
>>> for other teams that use it at my workplace, but when we are getting
>>> significant price breaks from M$ its just too hard to look my manager
>>> in the eye when she sees the prices.
>>> And look. I realise that M$ and Emb are at different ends of the
>>> company size spectrum and M$ can prob. afford to do it, Its just a shame.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, it is what it is.
>>> 
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 10:20 AM Tony Blomfield
>>> <tonyb at precepthealth.com <mailto:tonyb at precepthealth.com> <mailto:tonyb at precepthealth.com> <mailto:tonyb at precepthealth.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>     Greetings Jeremy, Jan et al.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     I have used Delphi since 1994 and completed at least 100
>>>     successful projects.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     I agree with your comments below. IT is simply too expensive. I
>>>     use DevX, Report Builder, TChart Pro, and TRichview in addition.
>>>     The cost is simply far too high, and every new release means I
>>>     have to install all of the above which can take up to a week.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     The cost is simply too high.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     Delphi lacks the sort of rich functionality that I need, and so I
>>>     have to purchase these other tool sets.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     This could be fixed either by Embarcadero limiting their releases
>>>     to once every 5 years, or by working closer with these companies
>>>     closer.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     Consequently 10.4 is probably my last subscription to them sadly.
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     Kind regards
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>>>     Tony Blomfield
>>> 
>>>      
>>> 
>> 
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