[DUG] Delphi 10.2 Tokyo ready for production?

Sat Sep 23 09:14:24 NZST 2017

We're in the exact same position at Accredo, David. We've moved to Berlin 10.1 for our next major release. And we have Tokyo 10.2 but won't be moving to it because of the lack of IDEFixPack and the ridiculous compile times, especially with the 64-bit Compiler. Delphi (well, Turbo Pascal really) used to be known for its blazing compile speed. Those days are long gone without IDEFixPack.

I don't know what happened with Andreas Hausladen and IDEFixPack but he seemingly soured on Embarcadero pretty abruptly so I wonder what might have happened there behind the scenes. The unpaid effort he put into IDEFixPack is incredible and unrecognised by Embarcadero. He's been keeping the product viable for large projects.

And we only upgraded from Seattle to get the fixes for the intermittent AV crashes in the 64-bit Compiler. Whilst they've reduced with Berlin 10.1, they still occur. I have an open issue for the latest one https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-18991 where it intermittently crashes with an AV and the reported line number is 2 lines past the end of file.

Even if that compiler bug gets fixed in Tokyo 10.2 (I doubt they ship an update to Berlin 10.1) , we won't be able to take advantage of it since the 64-bit compile times are so shocking. I'll just wind up the FinalBuilder retry count some more. Still I reported it since it might help someone else.

So I can't see us moving forward with upgraded Delphi versions beyond where we're at.
The core compiler quality (speed/reliability) is eroding and the priority seems to be elsewhere.

Cheers,
  Paul.

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From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of David Brennan
Sent: Friday, 22 September 2017 9:51 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi 10.2 Tokyo ready for production?

Hi,

We've been gradually pulling ourselves up to the latest versions over the last few years and have reached Berlin 10.1. It's behaving pretty well on our software which is quite large and complex. I get less complaints about Berlin than I did any earlier version. In general I agree that a subscription makes sense, anyone who is running their business on Delphi should not begrudge the subscription amount and once you get up to date going to each new version is not too hard.

Having said that, the reason we aren't on Tokyo is that Andy Hausladen stopped producing IDEFixPack from Tokyo onwards (he did recompile it for Tokyo but something had changed and he doesn't own a copy of Tokyo so he didn't go any further - why Embarcadero hadn't just given him a free subscription by then is totally beyond me). We need IDEFixPack to make our compilation time at all reasonable - with IDEFixPack a full build is around
2 minutes, without it we were getting up to 20 or 30 minutes. We've done some work to reduce a few unnecessary cyclic dependencies since then but even so there is no way we are willing to use a version of Delphi which requires even twice the time Berlin does to compile. We've heard that Embarcadero are going to build Andy's performance fixes into the next version but we haven't seen any concrete evidence of this. Despite my advice above this may lead to us cancelling our subscriptions, there is little point in paying maintenance for new versions which we can't use.

Regards,
David.

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[mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of David Moorhouse
Sent: Friday, 22 September 2017 8:37 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi 10.2 Tokyo ready for production?

We've used it for in house apps deployed to enterprise users.  We've also ported one of our apps to run under Mac OS - we used the Turbo Cocoa framework which allowed us to reuse/write the logic in Delphi and the UI in XCode.

I've created a simple web broker app and deployed in on a Linux server but not in production yet.

David

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[mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Jan Bakuwel
Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 1:09 p.m.
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Subject: [DUG] Delphi 10.2 Tokyo ready for production?

Greetings all,

I know of course that by picking this subject I might draw some criticism as it could be interpreted as implying that it might not be...

I'm a one-man band only occasionally getting to develop an in-house application with Delphi, so even though I would love to do more Delphi development, it simply is not financially feasible to continuously upgrade not only Delphi but also the various 3rd party component suites.
I'm sure this sounds familiar to at least some of you.

I'm at that point (again) where I'm contemplating whether to request funding to upgrade from XE5 to Tokyo 10.2 or not, just having spend a fair amount of time debugging threading issues with the XE5 Firemonkey RTL (no fun and only partly resolved).

Being able to target Linux server is something I've longed for a long time so that would be a bonus. Independent reviews of Delphi releases are hard to find (I wonder why) so I'll ask here if there's anyone here that would like to share their experience using Tokyo 10.2 for real world applications deployed on Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android and/or Linux server.

Jan

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