[DUG] iOS 64bit

Fri Jan 30 10:25:12 NZDT 2015

Agreed in the general case, but we take a very different approach to hiring developers and it is only a very minor problem for us. Our last three developers (hired in the last couple of years) have been excellent.

Cheers,

David.

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Sent: Friday, 30 January 2015 8:38 a.m.
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Subject: Re: [DUG] iOS 64bit

@David,

Delphi has always been a bit of a niche, but occupied a big enough niche that although it was difficult to find the developers needed it wasn't impossible (and for a long time the quality of the smaller quantity of Delphi developers vs that of the much larger VB/C# group largely offset the quantity advantage of those more plentiful resources).

But more and more people have taken note of the writing on the wall and many of those quality Delphi developers are now applying their skills in .net and are not looking back.

Having been involved with trying to hire Delphi skills in NZ for much of the past 10 years, I can say that it has only gotten harder and harder.  Increasingly we are forced to look overseas, and be able to offer a definite career path out of Delphi as part of the prospects.

"Solutions" to this particular aspect of the "confidence" problem with Delphi coming from Europe, the US and elsewhere may not be as effective here given that those regions are still not yet at that scarcity point (quite obviously they are not, otherwise we in NZ wouldn't be able to find there the Delphi skills that we can no longer find here).

On 29 January 2015 at 23:45, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz> wrote:

We've had questions along those lines before. My usual answer is that there is no way we would even attempt to write our software in Java and C# wasn't around when we started. Switching to C# would be an option but for our software there are few obvious benefits to doing so. The main one would be a larger pool of developers to hire from but we almost always hire graduates anyway so that doesn't affect us much. Conversely there could be some downsides in that our software is quite computationally intensive and while C# can be fairly heavily optimised these days it is an unknown whether it would be able to match Delphi for our workload. I might also bring up C++ by saying that in some ways C++ would be a more suitable tool for our sort of software but we believe Delphi to be much more productive and much better for GUIs.

At which point in the conversation I say that since there is no obvious benefit in changing to another language and there would be an absolutely massive cost involved (without even getting into the mantra as espoused by Joel Spolsky that you should *never* do a full re-write) it really isn't an issue for us. If necessary I also make the point that C# was designed by the same guy (Anders Heijlsberg) who led the design of Delphi and at core they solve similar problems in similar ways.

However we are fortunate that we are usually selling to the business rather than the IT department, so the business makes their decision based on the functionality we can offer rather than the IT department deciding. For software which is sold primarily to IT departments it could be a slightly harder discussion, but even so, unless they can point out specific problems with not having some particular software written in C# it is all rather woolly and speculative on their part.

I will be interested to see what Malcolm comes back with though.

Cheers,
David.

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From: delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] On Behalf Of Paul Hectors
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+1

My recent experience is that corporates do not like it when you inform them that your application is written in Delphi, it is perceived as old and a security risk. It would be nice if there was a white paper or some material to reassure them.

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Hi Malcolm

We regularly get questioned on our use of Delphi versus Microsoft C# when responding to RFPs.  The market has a perception that if it's not Java of C# then it is old technology  (I doubt if I drilled into it with anyone whether they would be able to articulate why they think that).  This creates a barrier to sale in some cases.

Are you or someone in your team able to provide any sound bites regarding Delphi versus C#/Java that we can use when responding

thanks

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Yep, on the roadmap for this year...pending anymore surprises like iOS64 bit of course :-)

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>Hi all,
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>The iOS 64bit compiler is in final beta. I know several of you are
>already using it, but if anybody else is waiting on this please let me
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