[DUG] Opinion wanted - is the upgrade from XE5 to XE6 worthwhile

Sun Jul 13 14:04:37 NZST 2014

Hi Jolyon,

Don't you think that 75% common code is a great success?[?]

Regards
Leigh

On 11 July 2014 16:57, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:

> You don't avoid this even with Xamarin - they themselves suggest you will
> likely achieve only 75% common code.  Whether this is typical, or a best
> case, I don't know.  And of course any code you write against platform
> API's is not portable.
>
> Despite what you appear to think, it is possible to create portable code
> using RemObjects as well.  Any code that does not rely on platform services
> or UI etc can be written in a manner that makes it portable across all of
> those platforms.
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 16:49, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jolyon,
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
>>
>> But by using RemObjects, you cannot get benefits from writing code once
>> for all platforms i.e. android, ios, windows 8 phone like Xamarin.Forms do.
>>  You have to write multiple sets of code for each platform which means maintenance
>> nightmare and delay release etc.
>>
>> Regards
>> Leigh
>>
>>
>> On 11 July 2014 16:42, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>> Leigh,
>>>
>>> When it comes to gleaning insights from examples, you get far more
>>> benefit from a translation than from a blank sheet of paper.  ;)
>>>
>>> And making a translation from Java to Pascal (or C# if using Xamarin) is
>>> really not that hard, or shouldn't be for anyone who is - or claims to be -
>>> a software developer.  Certainly not one with ambitions to develop for
>>> multiple, disparate devices.  imho.
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 July 2014 16:32, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jolyon,
>>>>
>>>> But you need a mental translation from java to delphi :-)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Leigh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11 July 2014 16:17, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But Leigh, the point is that an Oxygene developer does not need *Oxygene
>>>>> specific* support.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was developing my battery widget I was using the same resources
>>>>> that a Java Android developer would use, which are plentiful (ditto my
>>>>> excursions into Cocoa).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As some sort of idea, you might look at # of tagged questions on
>>>>> StackOverflow as a (crude) metric:
>>>>>
>>>>> Android: 500,000+
>>>>> iOS: 250,000+
>>>>> Delphi: 27,000+
>>>>> Xamarin: 3,400+
>>>>> FireMonkey: 880+
>>>>> Oxygene: 101+
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially this does not look good for Oxygene.  But a high proportion
>>>>> of those 750,000 Android and iOS questions will be just as helpful to an
>>>>> Oxygene developer (and Xamarin for that matter).  Not so much for a
>>>>> FireMonkey developer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of the three, a FireMonkey developer is the most on their own.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As for availability of skills, RemObjects and Xamarin have similar
>>>>> advantages - both are (or in the case of Xamarin, can be) Visual Studio
>>>>> based so experience with the IDE isn't an issue.  With Xamarin and
>>>>> Hydrogene, language skills aren't an issue now that you can call on the
>>>>> pool of C# skills.  Framework skills ?  Well, again we're talking about
>>>>> Android SDK and Cocoa (or .NET), not some proprietary cross platform
>>>>> framework (although there are elements of this with Xamarin I believe).
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, Delphi with FireMonkey romps home with the "Rocking Horse
>>>>> Droppings" award.  ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 July 2014 15:51, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jolyon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the issue with RemObjects Oxygene is
>>>>>> developer community size. Delphi is already a minority compare to .net
>>>>>> developer population. Then RemObjects Oxygene for android, ios? I
>>>>>> think that as rare as hen's teeth :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a project has no developer to hire using a tech, what will happen?
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, by doing RemObjects Oxygene, everything is same learning
>>>>>> curve like native platform except change the language to be pascal. But you
>>>>>> have far small community to ask questions and get answers. Answers are not
>>>>>> ready for you on the internet, you have to wait someone to answer it first.
>>>>>> I already feel that xamarin developer community is too small compare to
>>>>>> asp.net mvc, desktop .net etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Leigh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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