[DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington

Thu Jul 3 14:01:52 NZST 2014

I have a question for you guys related to how to be a good developer to
solve the problem :-)

I am developing a website and someone is using some sorts of script to
drive a browser to grab all the data from the website. I cannot use login
method. I cannot use recaptcha at the time they use the website. I am
already using cookie to log behavior. That guy always clear the cookie
after I detected him. He is always changing ip address if I block him from
that ip address. He is using the ip all over the world i.e. Australia, NZ,
usa, Russia.

What to do?

I guess the hacker is not in this email list, so it is ok to discuss it.
And please do not ask me the website name I am developing.

Regards
Leigh

On 3 July 2014 13:29, Steve Peacocke <steve at peacocke.net> wrote:

> I think there's another few sides to this as well and it all depends on
> "your" definition of a good developer.
>
> Having lead technical teams for a number of years, I know that you can
> have not only different skill levels, but different knowledge and
> specialised areas even within senior developers. In any team, developers
> have their own specialisations relating to the type of work that the
> company does. Work can often be given to them because they are the one
> member in the team who knows about this or that.
>
>  For example, I know very senior developers who have never created a
> component in their lives, or others who are well known and seen as some of
> the very best in the industry, but may never have done a complete
> application design. Others may never have created a DLL or linked to
> external hardware.
>
> I do have a real problem with this "ask specific questions" way to
> determine if they are a good developer. I know of some who would ask
> university-type questions to explain some specific UML design without
> realising that other companies don't actually use  UML's, or some others
> who are convinced you are not a good developer if you can't describe some
> OO phrase exactly by the book without realising that no-one actually speaks
> that language outside of university, despite the fact that they program
> that way by nature.
>
> I do remember being once asked to explain the difference between some
> obscure technical terms to do with encapsulation (I had never heard a
> programmer utter those words since coming out of university), but was able
> to then totally stump the interviewer when I asked back if they could
> explain the difference between parent and owner.
>
> A Senior Developer in any of the teams that I have lead or worked in could
> be more easily described by the amount of real world abilities to problem
> solving and delivery to the users expectations, and their interaction with
> the customer, yet a good programmer would be one that could program a
> specific given task - there is a difference.
>
> As for getting a coy of some old code - yes, that might be good but I tend
> to know programmers who hoard their precious code chunk, taking it with
> them everywhere and can produce it immediately. On the other hand, I have
> an old SQL builder program that I add to over the years and use to learn
> new ways of doing things with and learn how to get under the hood of the
> database and data structures - but I'd hate for others to see that code as
> it's forever a work in progress and used solely to learn (although the
> application is still in use around the world).
>
> Steve Peacocke
> +64 220 612-611
>
> On 3/07/2014, at 12:45 pm, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>
> I'd say that if you already have sufficient doubt to trust them to
> honestly represent their own work then it doesn't really matter what the
> code looks like, whoever's code it may be.  ;)
>
>
> On 3 July 2014 12:35, Jeremy North <jeremy.north at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also how do you know they actually wrote it.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One possible problem with asking to look at old code is that this would
>>> often break confidentiality requirements with a previous employer/client.
>>>
>>> I also have to admit that when I read some (*SOME*!) of my old code it
>>> gives me the shivers.  People can get better over time y'know.  :)
>>>
>>> I think perhaps a better approach might be to ask someone what they
>>> *think* of the code they wrote in the past.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 July 2014 12:03, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To know if he/she is a good developer is very easy. Just read the code
>>>> he/she wrote in the past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 July 2014 11:51, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As you say John, the measure of "good" is a complex issue and may even
>>>>> vary from project to project according to the needs of those projects.
>>>>>  Technical proficiency (in any specific area) , mentoring skills or
>>>>> knowledge (OO or again, in whatever area) can all be gained as and when
>>>>> needed but may or may not be relevant to a particular project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ultimately it comes down to a combination of knowledge and approach,
>>>>> and the "fit" in these areas that a developer has with the needs of any
>>>>> particular project.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, the best developers are the curious and caring ones.
>>>>>  By which I don't mean the ones that people raise an eyebrow to/at and who
>>>>> get all teary eyed at a soppy movie, but who - when faced with a problem or
>>>>> a challenge - seek first to fully understand it before rolling up their
>>>>> sleeves and cutting code.  And when they do produce code, they care about
>>>>> the clarity and structure of it.  "Working code" isn't good enough for such
>>>>> people, it must also have some aesthetic other quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> i.m.e more often than not, ugly code turns eventually out to be wrong
>>>>> code.  I know when I'm on the right track to a solution because it not only
>>>>> works, but it makes a sort of obvious sense and has a certain elegance that
>>>>> cannot be simply designed in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But, as I say, it's a highly complex area and I don't think there is a
>>>>> simple check list of qualities that categorically identify a "good
>>>>> developer".
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is perhaps why it is also difficult to determine the value of
>>>>> one, resulting in the tendency to place value on more easily measured
>>>>> qualities, such as scarcity, experience (as measured in years), etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 July 2014 11:20, John Bird <johnkbird at paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   OK that begs a further discussion!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What in your eyes makes a developer “good” as opposed to thinking
>>>>>> they are good – specific qualities please of what the good qualities are.
>>>>>> I am wondering if there are many opinions of what a “good” programmer is
>>>>>> which might explain why some think they are good whilst others think they
>>>>>> are not.  What are the more objective measures?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have worked on numerous projects the last few years and seen a lot
>>>>>> of different talents.  Some that stick out in my experience are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Technical proficiency – ie knowing already what is likely to be
>>>>>>    the best technology to use to tackle a new problem
>>>>>>    - OO depth.   Is it innate or learned?   How is it best learned?
>>>>>>    - Ability to mentor and guide others through existing code
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curious to hear specifics from you as you have the reputation of a
>>>>>> Delphi authority!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *From:* Jeremy North <jeremy.north at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 3, 2014 10:23 AM
>>>>>> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>>>>> <delphi at listserver.123.net.nz>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I know here (Australia) we would happily pay decent salaries if we
>>>>>> found Delphi developers that were actually good and didn't just *think*
>>>>>> they were good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Mueller <
>>>>>> muellers at orcl-toolbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  As a Swiss Delphi Developer living in New Zealand I find that
>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Switzerland isn’t exactly at the top of my mind when I think about
>>>>>>> the “value for bucks” for outsourcing work to – not because you don’t get
>>>>>>> the quality, but because salaries there are almost twice what you would
>>>>>>> have to pay here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  *Stefan Müller*,
>>>>>>> R&D Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *ORCL* *Toolbox Ltd.*
>>>>>>> Auckland, New Zealand
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
>>>>>>> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Tony Blomfield
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:29 a.m.
>>>>>>> *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you would like to send the details to me I will have a chat with
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately we have had such a bad run with Kiwi Developers we
>>>>>>> moved our R&D over to Switzerland last year where we get much more cost
>>>>>>> effective results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, I’d like to assess the person myself to see if they are
>>>>>>> suitable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony Blomfield
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [
>>>>>>> mailto:delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz
>>>>>>> <delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz>] *On Behalf Of *Gary T.
>>>>>>> Benner
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 July 2014 2:32 p.m.
>>>>>>> *To:* delphi at delphi.org.nz
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [DUG] Work Wanted in Wellington
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This just passed in if anyone can help:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Permanent Developer available in Wellington.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Experienced Senior Delphi Developer looking for a permanent role in
>>>>>>> or around Wellington. *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Open to remote work. Also open to learning a new language if
>>>>>>> needed. Experienced in picking up code from others and looking after legacy
>>>>>>> systems as well as new development.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Also experienced as a Development Manager and Product Management.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone with an opportunity can email me at gary at benner.co.nz and
>>>>>>> I'll pass it on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
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