[DUG] XE2 upgrade

[Jolyon Smith]

Ah yes, I see.  The other way to look at it is that if you haven't upgraded
since D2007 then you are "up" by $500 USD for each version upgrade since...
(2009, 2010, XE... $1500 in total).  So if you upgrade now/in the next 3
months you get $2000 worth of upgrades (2009, 2010, XE, XE2) for $500, PLUS
retain the right to upgrade to XE3 - or indeed the right to not upgrade
again until XE6 if you prefer (assuming current policy and practices
continue).

I understand the problem of not being able to use those intermediate (or
indeed current) versions directly, but at some point I guess the value in
the transaction has to be weighed in terms of opportunity cost as well as
more tangible measures.  Which isn't to say that I agree with the tactic of
strong-arming upgrades in this way.  I don't.

Also, upgrading now would equip you to undertake NEW projects in a Unicode
version of Delphi (if possible and relevant), or at least test them (or
specific pieces of new code) in such a version while developing primarily in
2007, making any future effort to migrate ALL your projects to Unicode that
bit easier than if you continue to create ALL projects in non-Unicode
versions untested in a Unicode version, creating just more "will it
convert/migrate safely/easily/reliably/performantly" questions that you have
still yet to answer.

imho.  ymmv.  :)



On 19 September 2011 11:01, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz>wrote:

> Yes, this is a nice feature and one I applaud, but not particularly
> relevant to us (it would be very relevant if we wanted to buy a new Delphi
> 2007 licence I agree).****
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> My point is that we already have Delphi 2007 licences. My complaint is that
> apparently they intend making these licences invalid for upgrades in three
> months time. That implies we should upgrade shortly BUT we can’t actually
> use anything we get out of the upgrade. So the upgrade would purely be to
> get upgrade pricing and hoping that we will be able to use XE2 sometime in
> the near future. ****
>
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> Given that two upgrades cost more than buying from scratch the question of
> whether we would be able to switch from 2007 to XE2 before the next version
> (XE3) comes out becomes critical. I don’t actually know the answer to that
> currently.****
>
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>
> Cheers,****
>
> David.****
>
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> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 September 2011 10:19 a.m.
>
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade****
>
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>
> You need not worry too much on that score.****
>
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>
> XE2 continues the "feature" introduced in XE of providing licenses for a
> number of earlier versions of Delphi.  That covers D2007 thru XE and Delphi
> 7.  The only slight catch is that you have to specifically request products
> keys for those additional licenses within 180 days of registering your XE2
> license.  But 180 days (6 months, give or take) is plenty of time (but also
> enough time to "forget"!), but they could make the process of obtaining
> those keys easier ... well, getting the keys is easy enough, but finding out
> where to GO to get them isn't.****
>
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>
> You would have thought they would put a URL in the ESD order email (or
> better yet, just send you keys and download links for ALL versions to which
> you have entitlement).****
>
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> On 19 September 2011 09:56, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz>
> wrote:****
>
> The problem with this policy Embarcadero has is that Delphi 2007 is the
> last non Unicode and many (including us) are stuck on that because Unicode
> will inevitably introduce some bugs, take up a bit more memory and
> potentially slow things down which are all negatives for our biggest
> customers and given these customers are English speaking there is no upside
> for us to point to (they don’t really care that the software can then be
> made to support Japanese etc).****
>
>  ****
>
> So upgrading to Delphi XE2 currently would be purely just to keep us in the
> upgrade loop with a valid version. We can’t use any version newer than the
> one we already have. And that sucks.****
>
>  ****
>
> Having said that there are sufficient new features in the language and the
> IDE appears to have stabilised enough with the recent versions that we MIGHT
> be able to make a commercial case for upgrading our applications to XE2. It
> is just a much harder case to make than if there was a switch to turn
> Unicode off (as I believe Jolyon has lamented in the past).****
>
>  ****
>
> Cheers,****
>
> David.****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz [mailto:
> delphi-bounces at listserver.123.net.nz] *On Behalf Of *Jolyon Smith
> *Sent:* Monday, 19 September 2011 9:32 a.m.
> *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> *Subject:* Re: [DUG] XE2 upgrade****
>
>  ****
>
>
> http://store.digitalriver.com/store?Action=DisplayCategoryProductListPage&SiteID=borland&Locale=en_NZ&categoryID=628800
> ****
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> Note that the NZ store is the "International USD Store" so prices are in
> USD.****
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> Note also that as mentioned in my reply to John, upgrade pricing is only
> valid for D2007 licenses and later (D2009 and later from 1 Jan 2012)****
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> On 19 September 2011 09:18, Leigh Wanstead <leigh.wanstead at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Where can I find the delphi xe2 price url?
>
> Regards
> Leigh****
>
>  ****
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> 2011/9/19 Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz>****
>
> iirc the (current) policy is "current and two previous versions"****
>
>  ****
>
> So for XE2 "current" = "XE" and two previous would be 2010 and 2009.  Since
> they introduced the upgrade versions window "traditionally" they have
> extended an "upgrade amnesty" for the *next* older version until the end of
> the year following release of a new version.  All of this would appear to
> still hold true this time around.  From the Embarcadero online store product
> information page:****
>
>    - Upgrade pricing is available to registered owners of 2007-XE versions
>    of RAD Studio, Delphi or C++Builder; Professional, Enterprise or Architect
>    editions.****
>    - ...****
>    - After Dec 31, 2011, only 2009-XE users qualify for upgrade pricing.**
>    **
>
>  ****
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> So your D2007 license will remain valid for upgrades until Dec 31 this
> year.****
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> On 17 September 2011 22:08, John Bird <johnkbird at paradise.net.nz> wrote:**
> **
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> I am planning ahead for when I upgrade from D2007 to either XE2 or the next
> version – is there an existing deadline that D2007 as a valid upgrade
> version will expire?   (ie after that I would have to buy a new version?)*
> ***
>
>  ****
>
> John****
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