[DUG] Delphi Starter Edition

Todd todd.martin.nz at gmail.com
Wed Mar 23 16:44:01 NZDT 2011 

Hi Paul
> 
> That is now very much on my todo list.
> 
> Quite feasible now - with the Delphi pricing structure as it has been, we
> went into maintainance mode on everything Delphi based, so some of our new
> projects could essentially be started in Lazarus in theory.
> 
That's what I was thinking, when you said you were looking at the
starter edition.

> What's it like for MacOs building?

Sorry. I don't know that. Better than Delphi though :)

Todd.

> Paul
> 
> On 22 March 2011 22:33, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul
>>
>> I suggest you get Lazarus 9.30 from the repository and FPC 2.4.2+
>> http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags
>>
>> Todd.
>>
>>> Experimented with it a while ago, and was surprised that I really
>>> could compile a simple project for both Windows and Linux form the
>>> same source, the Linux executable was very big, but there were no
>>> dependency/versioning issues.
>>>
>>> I will have another look at it.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On 18 March 2011 00:16, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what features of the Delphi starter you would most likely
>>>> use, but have you considered Lazarus and the FPC compiler? Both have
>>>> made some dramatic advances recently.
>>>>
>>>> Todd.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Joylon,
>>>>>
>>>>> >From what you are saying that would make it impossible for us to use
>>>>> the Starter Edition - I had seen Revenue as being that which was
>>>>> derived from an application made in Starter but it seems from what you
>>>>> are saying its a bit more woolly than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll just have to count out pennies if we need to return to Delphi
>>>>> and look to Professional edition again (got stung when we picked up
>>>>> 2005 Pro years ago and that was a bad experience).
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile will continue as we have been for some time now, apart from
>> Delphi. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Finding with careful planning, and even without Titanium Applicator,
>>>>> you can do a tremendous amount for people with just XAMPP and a
>>>>> virtual box under Windows (Ubuntu is good in the box), nice clean no
>>>>> fuss install of a whole application using browser technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 March 2011 09:12, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think you can rely on your charitable status to avoid the
>> ridiculous
>>>>>> $1000 license condition as that is $1000 *revenue*, not profit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite how revenue is defined and how Embarcadero would identify and
>>>>>> apportion income as deriving from "Starter built apps or services" is
>> not
>>>>>> specified.  If you create some code that is used in an area of a web
>> site
>>>>>> that also has a "donate" facility, for example...  does the income
>> from
>>>>>> those donations count?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no special allowance made for non-profit organizations and
>>>>>> charitable donations are not specifically identified separately from
>>>>>> "income", so it seems impossible to say for sure that your use of
>> Delphi
>>>>>> Starter would be certain to fall under the < US$1000 revenue threshold
>>>>>> (unless your use of Delphi is entirely and utterly not connected with
>> any
>>>>>> income/donation generating activity in your organisation).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could just hope that they never come knocking on your door as ask
>> to see
>>>>>> your accounts and set about trying to prove that your license is
>> invalid
>>>>>> (tho actually the boot would be on the other foot - it would no doubt
>> be up
>>>>>> to you to prove that your license *is* valid, not the other way
>> around), but
>>>>>> one would have to think that if they didn't intend ever following
>> through
>>>>>> and applying this revenue limit then they wouldn't have bothered
>> adding it
>>>>>> to the license conditions in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking for myself, I think the revenue limit on the license is a
>> mistake
>>>>>> (almost as ridiculous as the imposition of Interbase and the removal
>> of
>>>>>> DBExpress) but sadly not one that I expect Embarcadero to correct any
>> time
>>>>>> soon, if ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:
>> delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Paul A Norman
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:37
>>>>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi Starter Edition
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Joylon and Todd, that has sorted that out,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... I had been wondering the way things were worded whether you could
>>>>>> use 3rd party things like Zeos, or if databasing capabilities were
>>>>>> limited strictly to only what was described in the feature matrix.
>>>>>> (Remembering  the Turbo thingies they put out that didn't even let you
>>>>>> add components.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are charitable non-commercial (take no payments) so I take it we
>>>>>> would fit under the $USD1000 at all times?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 March 2011 17:11, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ZEOS certainly connects to MySql.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Todd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking through the feature matrix, I was not sure, can Delphi
>> Starter
>>>>>>>> connect to an MySql database on local or other server please?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31 January 2011 21:06, Malcolm Groves <
>> Malcolm.Groves at embarcadero.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Malcolm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Malcolm Groves
>>>>>>>>> Senior Director, Asia Pacific and Japan
>>>>>>>>> Embarcadero Technologies
>>>>>>>>> http://www.embarcadero.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phone: +61 416 264 204
>>>>>>>>> Skype: malcolmgroves
>>>>>>>>>
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