[DUG] Delphi Starter Edition

Sat Apr 2 22:22:43 NZDT 2011

Dear David,

That is what they say, you may want to ask specific questions on their forums.

http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php

Paul

On 1 April 2011 15:17, David Brennan <dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz> wrote:
> So does that compile to proper Windows 64 bit then?
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> David.
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> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
> Behalf Of Paul A Norman
> Sent: Friday, 1 April 2011 2:46 p.m.
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> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi Starter Edition
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>
> Hi Todd,
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>
>
> Wow - check this out, it looks
> amazing, http://www.pilotlogic.com/sitejoom/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96&Itemid=147
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> Come a long way forward from when I last looked years ago, a Lazarus based
> Free Pascal Compiler that now even apparently cross compiles from Windows to
> various linux distributions and WinCE, heaps of extra components
> pre-installed.
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> Paul
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> On 23 March 2011 16:44, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul
>
>>
>> That is now very much on my todo list.
>>
>> Quite feasible now - with the Delphi pricing structure as it has been, we
>> went into maintainance mode on everything Delphi based, so some of our new
>> projects could essentially be started in Lazarus in theory.
>>
>
> That's what I was thinking, when you said you were looking at the
> starter edition.
>
>> What's it like for MacOs building?
>
> Sorry. I don't know that. Better than Delphi though :)
>
> Todd.
>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 22 March 2011 22:33, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul
>>>
>>> I suggest you get Lazarus 9.30 from the repository and FPC 2.4.2+
>>> http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/tags
>>>
>>> Todd.
>>>
>>>> Experimented with it a while ago, and was surprised that I really
>>>> could compile a simple project for both Windows and Linux form the
>>>> same source, the Linux executable was very big, but there were no
>>>> dependency/versioning issues.
>>>>
>>>> I will have another look at it.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On 18 March 2011 00:16, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what features of the Delphi starter you would most likely
>>>>> use, but have you considered Lazarus and the FPC compiler? Both have
>>>>> made some dramatic advances recently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Todd.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Joylon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >From what you are saying that would make it impossible for us to use
>>>>>> the Starter Edition - I had seen Revenue as being that which was
>>>>>> derived from an application made in Starter but it seems from what you
>>>>>> are saying its a bit more woolly than that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll just have to count out pennies if we need to return to Delphi
>>>>>> and look to Professional edition again (got stung when we picked up
>>>>>> 2005 Pro years ago and that was a bad experience).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile will continue as we have been for some time now, apart from
>>> Delphi. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finding with careful planning, and even without Titanium Applicator,
>>>>>> you can do a tremendous amount for people with just XAMPP and a
>>>>>> virtual box under Windows (Ubuntu is good in the box), nice clean no
>>>>>> fuss install of a whole application using browser technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 March 2011 09:12, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't think you can rely on your charitable status to avoid the
>>> ridiculous
>>>>>>> $1000 license condition as that is $1000 *revenue*, not profit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quite how revenue is defined and how Embarcadero would identify and
>>>>>>> apportion income as deriving from "Starter built apps or services" is
>>> not
>>>>>>> specified.  If you create some code that is used in an area of a web
>>> site
>>>>>>> that also has a "donate" facility, for example...  does the income
>>> from
>>>>>>> those donations count?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no special allowance made for non-profit organizations and
>>>>>>> charitable donations are not specifically identified separately from
>>>>>>> "income", so it seems impossible to say for sure that your use of
>>> Delphi
>>>>>>> Starter would be certain to fall under the < US$1000 revenue
>>>>>>> threshold
>>>>>>> (unless your use of Delphi is entirely and utterly not connected with
>>> any
>>>>>>> income/donation generating activity in your organisation).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could just hope that they never come knocking on your door as ask
>>> to see
>>>>>>> your accounts and set about trying to prove that your license is
>>> invalid
>>>>>>> (tho actually the boot would be on the other foot - it would no doubt
>>> be up
>>>>>>> to you to prove that your license *is* valid, not the other way
>>> around), but
>>>>>>> one would have to think that if they didn't intend ever following
>>> through
>>>>>>> and applying this revenue limit then they wouldn't have bothered
>>> adding it
>>>>>>> to the license conditions in the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking for myself, I think the revenue limit on the license is a
>>> mistake
>>>>>>> (almost as ridiculous as the imposition of Interbase and the removal
>>> of
>>>>>>> DBExpress) but sadly not one that I expect Embarcadero to correct any
>>> time
>>>>>>> soon, if ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:
>>> delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Paul A Norman
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2011 15:37
>>>>>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi Starter Edition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Joylon and Todd, that has sorted that out,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... I had been wondering the way things were worded whether you could
>>>>>>> use 3rd party things like Zeos, or if databasing capabilities were
>>>>>>> limited strictly to only what was described in the feature matrix.
>>>>>>> (Remembering  the Turbo thingies they put out that didn't even let
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> add components.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are charitable non-commercial (take no payments) so I take it we
>>>>>>> would fit under the $USD1000 at all times?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9 March 2011 17:11, Todd <todd.martin.nz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ZEOS certainly connects to MySql.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Todd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking through the feature matrix, I was not sure, can Delphi
>>> Starter
>>>>>>>>> connect to an MySql database on local or other server please?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 31 January 2011 21:06, Malcolm Groves <
>>> Malcolm.Groves at embarcadero.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi/starter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Malcolm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Malcolm Groves
>>>>>>>>>> Senior Director, Asia Pacific and Japan
>>>>>>>>>> Embarcadero Technologies
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.embarcadero.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: +61 416 264 204
>>>>>>>>>> Skype: malcolmgroves
>>>>>>>>>>
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