[DUG] DelphiDroid

Mon Nov 29 17:44:38 NZDT 2010

Well, that's exactly my point... "native" means compiled to machine code, in
which case you need to say code for *which* machine...

For a more concrete example:  The Delphi compiler does not target the "IBM
PC" - it targets Intel x86.

It also targets Windows on x86, but let us imagine that Windows was still NT
and that NT still supported ALPHA hardware.  Delphi "targets" Windows, but
it does not produce ALPHA executables since it only targets x86.

To say that Delphi targets Windows is not sufficient - you have to say
"Windows x86".

So when you say "targets Android", this doesn't appear to be sufficient
information to be a reliable indication of any meaningful, intent, just
highly speculative spit-balling ("Ya know, with this new compiler
architecture we (or "they") could support Android...").

I would be interested to know where you heard the speculation... the source
can be significant in ascertaining the reliability of some messages...  J

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Alister Christie
Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 17:10
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] DelphiDroid

>From what I heard it will be native - although all I've heard are rumors -
certainly no statement of intent.

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 

On 29/11/2010 4:19 p.m., Jolyon Smith wrote: 

Is that Android 1.5? 1.6? 2.1? 2.2?  Or will it be 3.0?

Apart from that, isn't a "target" for a compiler a bit more than just an
OS/platform/framework ... ?

If Delphi is to "target" Android then it must target the CPU architectures
that Android itself runs on (with iPhone the distinction is blurred since
only one phone hardware platform runs the OS - iPhone the OS is iPhone the
hardware, to intents and purposes).

Android might be running on (currently) ARM-Cortex A7, A8, or A9  (as far as
I can tell - I am not an Android owner or otherwise particularly interested
in Android, so this is based on a few mins with my learned friend, Mr Google
J)

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Alister Christie
Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 14:11
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] DelphiDroid

My understanding is that both Android and iPhone are being actively
experimented with as targets for the compiler.  We'll probably hear more
once we have OS/X, Win64 and Linux support, which I suspect that it would be
at last 2 years away

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington 

On 29/11/2010 1:40 p.m., David Brennan wrote: 

I think Jolyon is right.

The difference between a proof of concept (which is basically what the guy
has now) and a robust tool which handles the majority of Delphi features and
libraries is enormous. Several orders of magnitude sounds about right to me
(meaning 100-1000 times more difficult, or even more).

I agree with the general principle though that being able to build for
Android (and/or iPhone and others) would be great. However I think the only
way it could really be done in a decent way is by Embarcadero continuing to
extend the back end compiler to support more and more target platforms. They
have made a few references in recent times which suggest they hope to do
this but only time will tell.

Cheers,

David.

From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter
Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 1:23 p.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] Company closing

you should download it and make it do more then :-)

jeremy

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Jolyon Smith <jsmith at deltics.co.nz> wrote:

Is it a compiler?  Technically I mean - I'd call it a translator.  :)

I wonder how far it can go though, beyond the simple examples I mean.

Translating a push button and a call to ShowMessage() is one thing.  Being
able to translate a complex application with all the libraries that Android
must support strikes me as a number of orders of magnitude more complex.

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From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On

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Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 12:39
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Subject: Re: [DUG] Company closing

Interestingly the compiler is written in C#

Alister Christie
Computers for People
Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266
http://www.salespartner.co.nz
PO Box 13085
Johnsonville
Wellington

On 29/11/2010 12:08 p.m., John Bird wrote:
>
?http://lenniedevilliers.blogspot.com/2010/09/delphi-for-android-sneak-previ
<http://lenniedevilliers.blogspot.com/2010/09/delphi-for-android-sneak-previ
%0Aew.html> 
ew.html
>
> Just checked out the DelphiDroid - not sure what state its at but simple
> examples are at least working - see a sneak peek video at the above
address.
> Says been tested with "Delphi 6.0, 7.0, 2005, 2006 and 2010."
>
> This is exactly the sort of tools we need - why does Embarcadero not jump
> onto this asap???
>
>
> John
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