[DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero
Todd Martin
todd.martin.nz at gmail.com
Thu Sep 17 12:11:34 NZST 2009
Hi Kyley
> I have contracted in a firm before where there was a clear case of an
> employee "holding back" at work and not exhibiting the full potential of
> their skills and salary.. at the same time they discovered he was
> developing applications different from work but for the same sector.. in
> their mind these products should rightly have been introduced into the
> companies product... Especially if you are employed as someone who is
> supposed to guide the direction of the software.
You're talking about a situation where there is a direct conflict of
interest. That is quite a bit different from an employer demanding
ownership of any intellectual property you dream up or develop outside
work hours.
>.. if
> they want to own everything I do during my employment then they can
> double the salary or include a profit share system on any personal designs.
Agreed.
> And lasty.. if you are using any company owned assets in the development
> of personal gain then that is really not Kosha.. you should be using
> your own licenses, computers etc etc..
Agreed.
>
> I mean.. if you were a plumber.. and you didn't own a van or tools, but
> they were provided by your company.. and after hours you went and did
> plumbing using their van, their gas, their tools, and you pocketed the
> cash do you really think that its a reasonable thing? Software is no
> different.. give and take.
Todd.
>
> Get used to it.
>
> As I stated, it is fairly common now (not always, please don't take
> this as generalisation) that unless the application was already
> defined, it belongs to the company. Companies are looking more to
> the fact they employ you for your design and invention skills,
> therefore they figure they own those skills and anything that comes
> from it.
>
> Steve Peacocke
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Todd Martin <todd.martin.nz
> <http://todd.martin.nz>@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve
>
> That is an absolute outrage. Anyone worth their salt would never
> sign
> such a contract.
>
> Todd.
>
> >
> > This is fairly common over here for programmers to have to
> sign away all
> > applications programmed at home.
> >
> > Steve Peacocke
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Leigh Wanstead
> <leighw at softtech.co.nz <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz>
> > <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz <mailto:leighw at softtech.co.nz>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> >
> >
> > I thought what you described is for the no knowledge
> required job
> > i.e. waiter etc. It happens in Delphi?
> >
> >
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Leigh
> >
> > *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>
> > <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>>
> > [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>
> > <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
> <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>>] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Peacocke
> > *Sent:* Thursday, 17 September 2009 10:03 a.m.
> >
> >
> > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming
> from Embarcadero
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There have been several instances, very real over here,
> where the
> > employer can hire a new employee and legally keep them on
> trial for
> > up to a year, then simply fire them without explanation
> and without
> > any legal issues at all, rather than pay contract rates.
> In one
> > instance, the employer was able to fire people within
> their 3 months
> > and hire another employee from another agency, rather than
> pay the
> > agency fees.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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