[DUG] Delphi 2010 DCC32.EXE for Trial Resolved

Thu Dec 31 19:48:53 NZDT 2009

Just to let anyone interested know, I cced Malcolm Groves into the last of
my emails to Embarcadero support and Malcolm has very kindly sorted the
problem out for me. I haven't had a chance to see if his solution works yet
but it should. Malcolm also indicated that he thought the whole question of
excluding DCC32 should be re-examined to see if it still made sense for the
future.

Two things come to mind for me.

1. All big organisations have their share of bureaucracy and things that are
"just the way they are" even if they don't make much sense.
2. At least with someone like Malcolm on the scene and in a reasonable
position to raise issues and solve problems there is hope for continual
improvement!

So thanks Malcolm and Happy New Year all.

Cheers,
David.

P.S. Jeremy North, sorry if my last email (below) seemed overly and
inappropriately directed at you. I thought after sending it that I should
have done more to thank you for replying at all. My gripes were obviously
entirely with Embarcadero, not you, and I realise you were only trying to
help!

-----Original Message-----
From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of David Brennan
Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 11:40 a.m.
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: Re: [DUG] HELP! Delphi 2010 DCC32.EXE for Trial please?

Hi Jeremy.

So you DO want the full rant now then?!

This is not a DevExpress issue, or at least only peripherally. Perhaps
DevExpress could provide a version of their installer which includes the
BPLs pre-built but I can understand why they don't, it is much more flexible
to be able to rebuild the BPLs on demand taking into account any
customisations made by developers. 

The Embarcadero website specifically says about the Delphi 2010 trial:
"Free, 30-day, fully-functional trial"

Does anyone have another definition of fully-functional? To me it means that
the trial software does everything the commercial version does for 30 days. 

I had found the posts on the DevExpress website. Took me more like 30-40
minutes I think but then I didn't know I was searching for a problem about
DCC32 being missing so I read various other install issues first and then I
kept reading more posts even after I found out in the hopes of finding a
better solution (tried copying DCC32.exe from Delphi 5 but that was never
likely to work!). I think you are way off with thinking it will only take an
hour to sort out all the BPLs, you realise that most of the DevExpress
products have multiple packages within them? Actually I just did a search,
there are 160 Delphi 2010 packages (*D14*.dpk). The DevExpress post only
gave the order of building the products, there are dependencies between the
packages within the products too. I'm thinking getting it all sorted out in
3 hours would be very good going, but regardless even 1 hour is a needless
waste of time.

This is core Delphi functionality, it isn't just a DevExpress issue. I
imagine virtually every Delphi development house has some sort of build
scripts for compiling BPLs and/or final executables and these all use dcc32.
It isn't like Embarcadero decided to leave out some of the help or some
other peripheral stuff, they left out core functionality which makes it
much, much harder to test Delphi 2010. Then they called it fully functional.

And that is before even getting into the stupidity of it. I presume it is
some sort of anti-piracy measure, although a quick google search found 73000
matches for "Delphi 2010" torrent, I can't imagine they are all bogus links.
What it has achieved is making me regret downloading the official trial
version and instead wish I had downloaded a pirated version. I'm installing
it on a VM so even if something nasty slipped through my virus scanner it
wouldn't be a big deal. 

Seems to me Embarcadero are punishing legally minded potential *customers*
who download the trial version and have turned the pirated version into a
superior product. Why I don't know. Surely once someone gets a pirated
version working they are much less likely to then go ahead and buy the full
version?

I'm interested in what others think but right now I don't understand it.

I'm also still interested in getting a copy of dcc32.exe if I can!

Regards,
David.

-----Original Message-----
From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
Behalf Of Jeremy North
Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 9:15 a.m.
To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] HELP! Delphi 2010 DCC32.EXE for Trial please?

This is a DevExpress issue.

It is possible to manually compile their packages and I'm sure you'd
accomplish this in about an hour. You won't break anything by
compiling them out of order, you'll be told what is needed.

The command line compiler has never shipped with a trial version of the
product.

The second report provides a list of their products, which may be the
order to compile them in.

http://www.devexpress.com/Support/Center/p/DQ3305.aspx?searchtext=trial+vers
ion&p=T1|P0|0
http://www.devexpress.com/Support/Center/p/CQ44462.aspx

Took me 10 minutes to do a search in their support database and find
these reports (there are other reports as well).

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 6:43 AM, David Brennan
<dugdavid at dbsolutions.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I know it is the holidays but someone on this list might see me and take
> pity. I naively thought I would try out the Delphi 2010 trial while I had
a
> bit of spare time over the holidays. Installing and activating wasn't
> exactly a painless experience but I got there in the end. However worse
was
> to come because when I came to install the latest Developer Express
version
> it wouldn't show any packages or component in the IDE. Turned out (after
> much messing around) that the "fully functional" (QFT) Delphi 2010 trial
> doesn't include a real dcc32.exe. The only work around from the DevExpress
> website is to manually build and install all 50 or so DevExpress packages
in
> the correct order (along with various other manual steps such as moving
the
> source files around to different directories). Since our own custom
packages
> also use a dcc32 build script to install I would also need to manually
setup
> those (although at least there are less of them and I know them better!).
>
>
>
> I'm talking to Embarcadero support but I'm not hopeful. The idiocy of
making
> me jump through such hoops to trial their software in the official way
makes
> my brain hurt. I've already spent 2 hours on the activation woes and
> diagnosing the DevExpress problem and I imagine several more to come if I
> manually build the packages. Meanwhile presumably a pirated version off
the
> internet would have none of these obstacles and save me 4-5 hours of
messing
> around!
>
>
>
> Anyway, I'll save the full rant for another day. My question is this:
>
> Is anyone able to offlist confidentially send me a zipped and passworded
> copy of DCC32.exe from Delphi 2010 (or possibly 2009 although I'm not
> confident that would work)? I say zipped and passworded just so it can get
> past any spam filters (use a password like "trial" or something and let me
> know what it is?)
>
>
>
> If you can I would be forever grateful. I've only got a few days of
holidays
> to experiment with and this is all really frustrating.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> David.
>
>
>
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