[DUG] OO Programming
Steve Peacocke
steve at peacocke.net
Wed Jul 30 11:39:47 NZST 2008
"cunning bastard" - must have that printed on my cards.
Must be something to do with age as they say that "Wisdom comes with age".
But someone once told me that "Sometimes age comes all on its own". I find
it never pays to ask if that's happened with me :o)
As for the "Software Architect" title that started this thread (it all
eventually runs in a full circle). That is normally someone who knows an ERP
system (e.g. SAP / PeopleSoft / Microsoft Dynamics Navision / JD Edwards /
et el.) so well that they can design the interfaces between the various ERP
components and external functionality in big diagrams on a whiteboard.
Essentially however, I much prefer the description given earlier that
corresponds to the "What is an expert" description - someone brought in from
another city and wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase.
Steve
http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Neven MacEwan <neven at mwk.co.nz> wrote:
> Steve
>
> Thats because your a cunning bastard that has worked out telling the
> masses its easy never pays..
>
> This is appropo to the Software Architect Question...whatr the f%k is a
> Software Architect?
> Sounds like a title looking for a salary
>
> Neven
>
>
> > Its never "that other 5%". My favourite saying is explaining that the
> > main problem with most programming is that last little wee 95%.
> >
> > :o)
> >
> > Steve
> > http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Neven MacEwan <neven at mwk.co.nz
> > <mailto:neven at mwk.co.nz>> wrote:
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > So what we need is OO RAD? Where you define classes and they
> > 'instantly'
> > appear on your palette (and are dynamically updated)
> > And a O-R framework is part of the language?
> >
> > The problem has been of course that the Table Row = Business
> > Object is a
> > 95% accurate solution and so the Delphi IDE
> > has basically delivered in 95% of situations
> >
> > That other 5% is a bastard though
> >
> > Just a thought
> > Neven
> > > Yea, thanks Conor,
> > >
> > > Sure, in RAD, as it is in any Delphi project, you can certainly get
> > > away with simply programming the event handlers in the components
> > > (depending on the application). That should not preclude being
> > able to
> > > create, for example, an Application Object that handles all your
> > > globals like the logged in user, or the company name and other
> > details
> > > needed at times (e.g.; lbCompany.Caption := oApp.CompanyName) -
> > where
> > > perhaps the company name is extracted from the database etc. In
> this
> > > example, oApp knows how to extract the company name, and perhaps
> > even
> > > format it for display.
> > >
> > > RAD does not mean ShiteProgramming, or NoThoughtProgramming. Its
> > hard
> > > to find a definitive definition (?) for RAD and a quick search
> shows
> > > various descriptions from the tool itself (Delphi or VB) to the
> > whole
> > > spectrum of Agile methodologies.
> > >
> > > However, I do disagree with the assertion that RAD does not lend
> > > itself to larger apps (or did you mean "Rapid Prototyping"). In
> fact
> > > RAD is an excellent development environment for developing even
> > > enterprise level applications. Some years ago I had the pleasure of
> > > working in a team of between 3-5 developers where we used a RAD
> > > approach (using Delphi) in an iterative and incremental development
> > > methodology to produce a very large scale corporate application and
> > > can confirm the approach as excellent and the development far
> > > outperforms a team up to 10 times larger using Java/J2EE in a
> > refined
> > > waterfall approach for a similar sized project.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Conor Boyd
> > <Conor.Boyd at trimble.co.nz <mailto:Conor.Boyd at trimble.co.nz>
> > > <mailto:Conor.Boyd at trimble.co.nz
> > <mailto:Conor.Boyd at trimble.co.nz>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably because I don't put the acronym RAD and the word
> > > "programming" together as you have done.
> > >
> > > From my POV, RAD is generally taken to mean what the acronym
> > > stands for, Rapid Application Development; i.e. drop some
> > > components on to a form, wire up a few event handlers, voila.
> > >
> > > Doesn't mean I don't "do" OOP in event handlers and the little
> > > amount of code that is required in such an app, but IMHO you're
> > > comparing apples with oranges.
> > >
> > > RAD does not lend itself to larger apps which are intended to
> be
> > > easily maintainable and intended to be worked on by a team of
> > > developers.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > C.
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > <mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz>>] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Peacocke
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 July 2008 8:13 a.m.
> > > *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> > > *Subject:* Re: [DUG] OO Programming
> > >
> > > Just an interesting observation - why do people think that RAD
> > > programming excludes OOP programming?
> > >
> > > RAD is a methodology, OOP is a programming style.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://stevepeacocke.blogspot.com/
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