[DUG] D2007 under VIsta

[John Bird]

No its not copying files into "Program Files" folder.  Its copying them from 
a folder (called eg C:\FredUpdates) to a working folder (C:\Fred\Programs). 
I have changed the permissions on both folders to allow full access - (I 
understand you cannot do that on the Program Files folder).  And I am 
already running as an Administrator user - namely me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Myles Penlington" <myles at ams.co.nz>
To: "NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List" <delphi at delphi.org.nz>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta


> The short answer is no - to checking program contents.
>
> However if you are not running as administrator and attempt to copy a
> file into program files then that triggers a UAC prompt.
>
> Myles.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz]
> On Behalf Of John Bird
> Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 3:00 p.m.
> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
> Subject: Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>
> Yes I tried that too - I renamed it to JBCL1.exe and it still triggered
> the
> UAC prompt.
>
> If Vista is being smart it may be actually checking what the program
> does -
> as it copies .exe files from one folder to another that could trigger
> UAC?
> (That is all it does - its a program to make sure latest versions are in
> a
> working folder).   But - does Vista actually examine a programs contents
> or
> functionality?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert martin" <rob at chreos.co.nz>
> To: "NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List" <delphi at delphi.org.nz>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>
>
> Hi
>
> Have you tried renaming the exe with the problem (i.e. to something
> without startup in its name)?
>
> The other thing might be that the app is doing something that requires
> UAC? I think there is a xml resource you can build into an app to force
> the UAC stuff to trigger (although I doubt you would have done this :) )
>
> Rob
>
> John Bird wrote:
>> No there is no blanks in the execute path, and the 3 programs I talked
>> about all run from the same folder. Thats why I am so puzzled why they
>> behave so differently.
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Myles Penlington <mailto:myles at ams.co.nz>
>>     *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>     <mailto:delphi at delphi.org.nz>
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:48 AM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>>
>>     There is a menu option "Check for updates" under you program files
>>     menu entry.
>>
>>     Run this and it will download the updates.
>>
>>     Where did you install D2007?
>>
>>     My Vista install is not under "Program Files", but under C:\BDS
>>     instead, I wonder if it makes a difference?
>>
>>     Where is your exe output folder? Perhaps try a path/folder without
>>     blanks etc.
>>
>>     Myles.
>>
>>     *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>     [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *John Bird
>>     *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 August 2008 11:38 a.m.
>>     *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>     *Subject:* Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>>
>>     I am quite foxed by this!
>>
>>     I have 3 programs I have written on the desktop as shortcuts.
>>
>>     1 runs perfectly, no UAC, debugger also works fine.
>>
>>     1 runs fine with UAC prompt (name of program is JBCStart.exe -
>>     which I suspect is the problem). The UAC also stops the debugger
>>     running. This sort of makes sense. The IDE somes up with an
>>     obscure message "Cannot create process" but other than that the
>>     "blue dots" and breakpoints remain visible in the background IDE
>>     window as expected.
>>
>>     1 program runs fine - no UAC - but I cannot get the debugger to
>>     run. The "blue dots" and the breakpoints disappear in the IDE
>>     window as the program runs.
>>
>>     Apart from the debugging problem all these I am pretty sure are
>>     all Vista issues and not D2007 issues...
>>
>>     I have noticed that in Vista as compared to XP there is quite a
>>     bit of new slicker appearance etc for D2007.
>>
>>     One point - I installed D2007 on Vista from a disk dated Jul/Aug
>>     2007 - where can I read up or get later updates? Was there
>>     anything significant?
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>         *From:* Myles Penlington <mailto:myles at ams.co.nz>
>>
>>         *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>         <mailto:delphi at delphi.org.nz>
>>
>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:00 AM
>>
>>         *Subject:* Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>>
>>         Perhaps if you install it under program files the issue may go
>>         away.
>>
>>         You can perhaps also check the properties on the file to see
>>         if vista has put a block etc on it, which you may be able to
>>         remove.
>>
>>         Failing that, get a code signing certificate. Or at least
>>         create your own self signed certificate and install it as a
>>         trusted certificate (not sure how to achieve that last part
>>         yet). The best deal on these at the moment is via the tucows
>>         website (need to search the site to find the entry). US $99
>>         for 1 year.
>>
>>         Myles.
>>
>>         *From:* delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>         [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *John Bird
>>         *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 August 2008 10:45 a.m.
>>         *To:* rohit at cfl.co.nz; NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi
> List
>>         *Subject:* Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>>
>>         No that doesn't work either - it just opens the same UAC
>>         dialog asking if I want to run it. The dialog offers the
>>         choice "I have run this program before and I trust it" but it
>>         obviously does not remember any past answers to this.
>>
>>         I suspect its because the program has the word "Start" as part
>>         of the name - its just a program to check versions and start a
>>         menu though. Is this the Vista apprach to security? if a
>>         program is suspicious (I understand anything with the words
>>         Setup Install and other words in the name count as this)
>>         automically get a UAC prompt....
>>
>>         I don't mind changing the name of the program if thats easier!
>>         Anyone got information on what program names Vista cares
> about?
>>
>>             ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>             *From:* Rohit Gupta <mailto:rohit at cfl.co.nz>
>>
>>             *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>             <mailto:delphi at delphi.org.nz>
>>
>>             *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2008 3:24 PM
>>
>>             *Subject:* Re: [DUG] D2007 under VIsta
>>
>>             John,
>>
>>             right click, properties - run as admin or some such thing,
>>             it was a while ago that I fixed that on someones pc.
>>
>>             John Bird wrote:
>>
>>             -also my main menu program, which I have a shortcut to on
> the
>> desktop,
>>
>>             always gets a UAC prompt when I run it.  How do I set this
>> program to be
>>
>>             acceptable short of turning off UAC?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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