[DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
Robert martin
rob at wildsoft.co.nz
Mon Jun 11 08:57:43 NZST 2007
Hi
Admittedly I don't know much about web apps but I am struggling to get
my head around the client and server separation in relation to PHP.
All the pages I have looked at focus only on web pages. Does anybody
have a link to developing a non visual server application in PHP.
Tia
Rob Martin
Software Engineer
phone +64 03 377 0495
fax +64 03 377 0496
web www.chreos.com
Wild Software Ltd
Neven MacEwan wrote:
> Robert
>
> I'd recommend PHP for the Server code, its so trivial i don't see you
> needing an IDE (though if you
> do decide you need one look at www.nusphere.com) for my first year of
> PHP dev I just used an editor
>
> Neven
>> Yeah, that sounds easier (less to install, distribute and maintain).
>> We might have a go at whipping up a sample application.
>> Im sure further questions are coming :)
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions so far :)
>>
>> Rob Martin
>> Software Engineer
>>
>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>> web www.chreos.com
>>
>> Wild Software Ltd
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremy Coulter wrote:
>>> Why not just use HTTP and encrypt the data you are sending (which
>>> will just
>>> be a simple string encryption like tripple DES). Same as HTTPS and
>>> easier to
>>> implement.
>>> When ever I use HTTP for anything from withing Delphi, I use the
>>> Synapse
>>> code and its REALLY easy, better than Indy, and a far smaller code foot
>>> print.
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
>>> Behalf Of Nick
>>> Sent: 8 June 2007 10:16
>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
>>>
>>> With all the tutorials on PHP it'd be a piece of cake to do with
>>> notepad (I
>>> prefer crimson editor for it's nice syntax highlighting), with https
>>> all you
>>> need to do is include some dll files with your app (and get a ssl
>>> certificate for your web server etc which your host could organize)
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK I have used Indy before. Haven't used https but I assume thats
>>>> pretty much just a setting. I assume I could send my csv as
>>>> compressed / Encrypted binary data.
>>>> We don't have Delphi PHP and I am not sure it is warranted for a
>>>> project this size. What would people recommend.
>>>>
>>>> Rob Martin
>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>
>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>
>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like just using Indy idHttp (preferably over https) with
>>>>> php would do all you need.
>>>>> So you could call something like mypage.php?option=getclients
>>>>> Which can return the client data as csv back to your delphi app,
>>>>> just like getting a web page - advantage of that is gets around
>>>>> some firewalls that block lots of ports but leave 80 open ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> However anyone watching the wire could see that url being
>>>>> requested, and when they type it into there browser they see all
>>>>> the client data as well so you can either encrypt the parameters
>>>>> and decrypt them in php, or use https.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've used similar approaches to the above for bug submissions and
>>>>> customer registrations and works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Neven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes a fat client (Delphi Win 32 app) that simply needs to send
>>>>>> some data to a centralised web DB (Voucher sales / redemptions)
>>>>>> and get from a centralised web site voucher sales / redemptions
>>>>>> from other sites. I don't want to do direct web based DB
>>>>>> connection so I thought a simple web server that processed send /
>>>>>> get commands would be best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A further requirement is a web page (s) that can display
>>>>>> information from DB i.e. Sales info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the visual aspect is very low. I need to get a simple proof
>>>>>> of concept built (just reading / writing to a flat file) and then
>>>>>> will extend it to a full DB application (I was going to use
>>>>>> Firebird Embedded, because we know that (and have access
>>>>>> components) but if we are using Non Delphi technologies then I
>>>>>> suppose other DB types are up for grabs :) ) But thats another
>>>>>> conversation :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that makes it clearer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neven MacEwan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this a web app? ie a browser based client? I'd use PHP and
>>>>>>> AJAX (which is what Delphi for PHP uses) If you want "roll your
>>>>>>> own" look at this ajax lib http://www.ajaxtoolbox.com/request/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the way your expressing yourself (ie SOAP) I think you are
>>>>>>> looking at a Fat client talking to a Web Server backend and
>>>>>>> unless you have extreme graphics requirement at the client I
>>>>>>> wouldn't bother
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be easier to advise if we knew more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok. We don't have ASP.Net or PHP (I suppose we could get one
>>>>>>>> or other).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would my Delphi app receive / send the data? SOAP?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xander (GMail) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only a very brave person will start a new web application in
>>>>>>>>> Delphi! Use ASP.NET or even PHP. Either of these two will
>>>>>>>>> provide you with web services capabilities that you can call
>>>>>>>>> from your Delphi client.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Xander
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stefan Mueller
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I the only one thinking that this should be done in ASP.NET?
>>>>>>>>> Writing some simple soap service and a reporting page is
>>>>>>>>> pretty much as easy as it gets .. perfect to get your toes wet
>>>>>>>>> in a newer better supported technology (who knows how much
>>>>>>>>> longer intraweb will be supported).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Stefan Mueller
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Robert martin
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, not there :-(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\CodeGear\ etc etc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't even think about that ! We are using D2007. Cant
>>>>>>>>>>> even find the demos directory, must be having a blond moment :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you checked out the intraweb demos in the demos folder?
>>>>>>>>>>>> With D2006 Ent there are a bunch...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to put together a simple VCL for web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> application. I can get a simple web page going which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great however I would also like to provide some services i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some sort of get data and send data functionality from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delphi client app. Is this possible or do i need to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SOAP and create a web service app?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The situation is we want to be able to have an app then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sends a small amount of data to a web site (DB) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> receives data (perhaps large) from the web site. However
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is also a requirement for a web interface reporting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't something I have much knowledge in but the VCL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for web (Intraweb) stuff looked like it would make the web
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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