[DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
Neven MacEwan
neven at mwk.co.nz
Fri Jun 8 11:11:53 NZST 2007
Robert
I'd recommend PHP for the Server code, its so trivial i don't see you
needing an IDE (though if you
do decide you need one look at www.nusphere.com) for my first year of
PHP dev I just used an editor
Neven
> Yeah, that sounds easier (less to install, distribute and maintain).
> We might have a go at whipping up a sample application.
> Im sure further questions are coming :)
>
> Thanks to everyone for their helpful suggestions so far :)
>
> Rob Martin
> Software Engineer
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> Jeremy Coulter wrote:
>> Why not just use HTTP and encrypt the data you are sending (which
>> will just
>> be a simple string encryption like tripple DES). Same as HTTPS and
>> easier to
>> implement.
>> When ever I use HTTP for anything from withing Delphi, I use the Synapse
>> code and its REALLY easy, better than Indy, and a far smaller code foot
>> print.
>> Jeremy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On
>> Behalf Of Nick
>> Sent: 8 June 2007 10:16
>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
>>
>> With all the tutorials on PHP it'd be a piece of cake to do with
>> notepad (I
>> prefer crimson editor for it's nice syntax highlighting), with https
>> all you
>> need to do is include some dll files with your app (and get a ssl
>> certificate for your web server etc which your host could organize)
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> Robert martin wrote:
>>
>>> OK I have used Indy before. Haven't used https but I assume thats
>>> pretty much just a setting. I assume I could send my csv as
>>> compressed / Encrypted binary data.
>>> We don't have Delphi PHP and I am not sure it is warranted for a
>>> project this size. What would people recommend.
>>>
>>> Rob Martin
>>> Software Engineer
>>>
>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>
>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob,
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like just using Indy idHttp (preferably over https) with php
>>>> would do all you need.
>>>> So you could call something like mypage.php?option=getclients Which
>>>> can return the client data as csv back to your delphi app, just
>>>> like getting a web page - advantage of that is gets around some
>>>> firewalls that block lots of ports but leave 80 open ;-)
>>>>
>>>> However anyone watching the wire could see that url being
>>>> requested, and when they type it into there browser they see all
>>>> the client data as well so you can either encrypt the parameters
>>>> and decrypt them in php, or use https.
>>>>
>>>> I've used similar approaches to the above for bug submissions and
>>>> customer registrations and works well.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Neven
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes a fat client (Delphi Win 32 app) that simply needs to send
>>>>> some data to a centralised web DB (Voucher sales / redemptions)
>>>>> and get from a centralised web site voucher sales / redemptions
>>>>> from other sites. I don't want to do direct web based DB
>>>>> connection so I thought a simple web server that processed send /
>>>>> get commands would be best.
>>>>>
>>>>> A further requirement is a web page (s) that can display
>>>>> information from DB i.e. Sales info.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the visual aspect is very low. I need to get a simple proof of
>>>>> concept built (just reading / writing to a flat file) and then
>>>>> will extend it to a full DB application (I was going to use
>>>>> Firebird Embedded, because we know that (and have access
>>>>> components) but if we are using Non Delphi technologies then I
>>>>> suppose other DB types are up for grabs :) ) But thats another
>>>>> conversation :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that makes it clearer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neven MacEwan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a web app? ie a browser based client? I'd use PHP and
>>>>>> AJAX (which is what Delphi for PHP uses) If you want "roll your
>>>>>> own" look at this ajax lib http://www.ajaxtoolbox.com/request/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the way your expressing yourself (ie SOAP) I think you are
>>>>>> looking at a Fat client talking to a Web Server backend and
>>>>>> unless you have extreme graphics requirement at the client I
>>>>>> wouldn't bother
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be easier to advise if we knew more
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok. We don't have ASP.Net or PHP (I suppose we could get one
>>>>>>> or other).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How would my Delphi app receive / send the data? SOAP?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xander (GMail) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only a very brave person will start a new web application in
>>>>>>>> Delphi! Use ASP.NET or even PHP. Either of these two will
>>>>>>>> provide you with web services capabilities that you can call
>>>>>>>> from your Delphi client.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Xander
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>>>>>>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Stefan Mueller
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:05 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I the only one thinking that this should be done in ASP.NET?
>>>>>>>> Writing some simple soap service and a reporting page is pretty
>>>>>>>> much as easy as it gets .. perfect to get your toes wet in a
>>>>>>>> newer better supported technology (who knows how much longer
>>>>>>>> intraweb will be supported).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>> Stefan Mueller
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz
>>>>>>>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Robert martin
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Simple VCL for web aplication
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, not there :-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nick wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> C:\Program Files\CodeGear\ etc etc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't even think about that ! We are using D2007. Cant
>>>>>>>>>> even find the demos directory, must be having a blond moment :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rob Martin
>>>>>>>>>> Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> phone +64 03 377 0495
>>>>>>>>>> fax +64 03 377 0496
>>>>>>>>>> web www.chreos.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wild Software Ltd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you checked out the intraweb demos in the demos folder?
>>>>>>>>>>> With D2006 Ent there are a bunch...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to put together a simple VCL for web
>>>>>>>>>>>> application. I can get a simple web page going which is
>>>>>>>>>>>> great however I would also like to provide some services i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>>> some sort of get data and send data functionality from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> delphi client app. Is this possible or do i need to use
>>>>>>>>>>>> SOAP and create a web service app?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The situation is we want to be able to have an app then
>>>>>>>>>>>> sends a small amount of data to a web site (DB) and
>>>>>>>>>>>> receives data (perhaps large) from the web site. However
>>>>>>>>>>>> there is also a requirement for a web interface reporting
>>>>>>>>>>>> some data.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This isn't something I have much knowledge in but the VCL
>>>>>>>>>>>> for web (Intraweb) stuff looked like it would make the web
>>>>>>>>>>>> interface simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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