[DUG] Delphi 2007 and Delphi for PHP
Neven MacEwan
neven at mwk.co.nz
Fri Feb 23 10:01:33 NZDT 2007
Nick
I would have thought it would be quite difficult (and incredibly stupid)
to do this, I'd be more worried about the client code being cross
browser compatible, based on the problems i've had (with JSCalendar for
example) I'd also be interested as to what PHP database connectivity
they use because after much experimentation I've settled on the unified
ODBC (as I had problems with PDO and native MSSQL)
I'm really excited about this product because it potentially could be a
giant killer
1/ Good Component Lib
2/ RAD IDE
3/ Backend independant
4/ Client Independant
5/ Web Enabled
Sort of like ruby on rails without the sanctimony
Neven
> I would hope so, I was thinking about that before.....
> Our servers are all *nix based, would be useless if we couldn't upload
> that code to our servers.
> Hopefully it has no funky modules that can't be used on *nix. (or some
> weird php.ini settings)
>
> James Sugrue wrote:
>> The other thing I would be interested in, is is the PHP code cross
>> platform compatible. I.E. can I take the output from Delphi for PHP
>> and use it on Linux or OSX?
>>
>> On 2/23/07, * Nick Fauchelle* <nick at unica.co.nz
>> <mailto:nick at unica.co.nz>> wrote:
>>
>> When I watch the video and I see him drop those controls on the
>> page,
>> and then he runs the page... I wanna see what the html code looks
>> like.
>> How is the position of the controls done in the html - does it
>> create
>> tables, does it use styles. If we edit that page in dreamweaver /
>> notepad and put those controls in a table ourselves - when we open
>> it in
>> Delphi how will that then look. Will it support css so if we
>> change the
>> color of the listbox/editbox etc will that display in Delphi.
>>
>> Will be very interested to see a demo before I buy it.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> Neven MacEwan wrote:
>> > Jeremy North wrote:
>> >
>> > Sounds impressive, what debugging support?
>> >
>> > Neven
>> >> This was posted by José León Serna on the newsgroups. He is the
>> guy
>> >> from qadram, his product is what Delphi for PHP is based on.
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Delphi for PHP screencast... some AJAX going on?
>> >> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:09:32 +1100
>> >>
>> >> ===============
>> >>
>> >> Just some comments:
>> >> -It has Ajax integration, but depends on the component
>> developer to
>> >> use it or not, or to abstract it more or not, for example, the
>> DBGrid
>> >> component uses Ajax to update the data on the server without
>> any line
>> >> of code and we provide the infraestructure in the VCL base
>> classes to
>> >> develop components without the hassle of implement a complete
>> new ajax
>> >> solution every time
>> >>
>> >> -If you want to develop components and use your own ajax
>> package, you
>> >> can, because the VCL has been designed to be open enough to
>> integrate
>> >> almost anything you can imagine, that's the key of the
>> framework, you
>> >> are not tied to anything
>> >>
>> >> -The VCL for PHP framework has been designed to make easy
>> integrate
>> >> scripts already written, for example, create a component to
>> wrap the
>> >> Google Maps functionality, and use it on your application, it
>> takes
>> >> less than 5 minutes and is less than 90 lines of code, in which
>> most
>> >> are not functional code.
>> >>
>> >> -The product started as a code editor, that's the tool for
>> most (if
>> >> not all) PHP coders out there, so it loads fast, that was one
>> of the
>> >> goals, in fact, I use it as a common text editor ;-). After
>> that you
>> >> can create visual applications using the visual part and yes,
>> it's
>> >> truly RAD
>> >>
>> >> -Also you are not forced to develop applications in a fixed
>> way, that
>> >> is, if you don't like to develop websites using the
>> components, the
>> >> VCL has support for template engines (included Smarty support,
>> but
>> >> more can be developed easily in pure PHP) so you can keep your
>> graphic
>> >> artist generating HTML + CSS + Images and then add the live
>> part on
>> >> that templates using the IDE.
>> >>
>> >> And finally, remind the VCL for PHP is completely OpenSource,
>> this is
>> >> something really nice because it will be a live project and we
>> will
>> >> accept patches and third-party components to be integrated
>> into and
>> >> shipped with future versions.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> ===========
>> >>
>> >> On 2/22/07, Stefan Mueller < muellers at orcl-toolbox.com
>> <mailto:muellers at orcl-toolbox.com>> wrote:
>> >>> Well .. the question is how easy is the integration done in
>> "Delphi for
>> >>> PHP".
>> >>>
>> >>> My first tests showed that VS2005 & ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET>
>> AJAX is actually much
>> >>> easier to
>> >>> use than PHP & XAJAX.
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope Delphi for PHP has some smart mambo jambo wizardry to
>> make
>> >>> integration of this a bit easier.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Kind Regards,
>> >>> Stefan Mueller
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz
>> <mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz>
>> >>> [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz
>> <mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz>] On
>> >>> Behalf Of Jeremy North
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:40 AM
>> >>> To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
>> >>> Subject: Re: [DUG] Delphi 2007 and Delphi for PHP
>> >>>
>> >>> >> AJAX ...
>> >>>
>> >>> AJAX is just a framework. If PHP has AJAX extensions then it
>> would be
>> >>> silly if the CodeGear product couldn't support those extensions.
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