[DUG] In case you're interested (or buy stuff)

Thu May 4 23:41:40 NZST 2006

Correct. Many companies that rely on contractors to fulfill work do not
want temp employess, etc to see a name, and go tell the competition who
they should contact for good design work. So in that case it is valid to
request unsigned work. If you really want to assert that you wrote
something. Get a reference in writing on letterhead that cannot be
disputed by future managers, employees etc. Get the letter to state
unequivocally what input you had such as design, implementation,
delployment. NEVER rely on an interviewer calling someone. I make a
point of providing no verbal references unless that person giving the
ref would die for me, or close :D

-----Original Message-----
From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]
On Behalf Of Jeremy Coulter
Sent: Thursday, 4 May 2006 11:17 p.m.
To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
Subject: RE: [DUG] In case you're interested (or buy stuff)

When I was contracting, I was specifically told NOT to sign my
work......so
sometimes its up to the employeer too.

Jeremy 

-----Original Message-----
From: delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]
On
Behalf Of Rohit Gupta
Sent: 4 May 2006 23:11
To: edwardh at bigfoot.com; NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List
Subject: Re: [DUG] In case you're interested (or buy stuff)

Some of you are missing the point here. 

First, if you are not prepared to sign your work, then my assertion is
that
you are not proud of it.  Ergo, you have written crap and you have not
done
the best job you could.  And I have come across many such programmers
(some
are part of this user group).  In contrast, I am proud of everything I
have
ever done, because it was the best effort and quality I could put in at
that
time.

Second, how do you prove you did some work, when the owner removes all
reference to your name from the source.  The name did not use to flash
on
the screen, it was just in the source.  When the beggar kept removing
even
that, I put the Easter egg in.  The point of it, If I went for a job
interview, I could prove it was my work.  You cant do that with a
listing.
Anyone can type something up.  And yes, I have come across many such
people
who have invented a listing the night before the interview, some inhabit
this user group.

The flip side is I never remove a contributors name from the code I have
obtained, bought or inherited.

So, Edward, you are saying that you have never put your name on any of
your
work....  why is that ?

Edward Huang wrote:
>
> I have been a contractor myself, and also currently have contractors 
> worked for me.  I wouldn't think a contractor should put in any 
> reference to himself/herself in the code, and I would be very annoyed 
> if a contractor keep doing it.
>
> What's the point to have name all over the code? What if the code has 
> been changed/fixed by other developers many times afterwards? As said,

> source code control should sort out who did what, instead of you spend

> time on write your name everywhere. Besides if you are a contractor, 
> usually you cannot claim the IP of the source code anyway.
>
> Also, if you spend time on write "Easter eggs" as you said, I would be

> seriously thinking that you didn't spend time doing the contracting 
> job, thus you should charge less contracting hours.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz
>     [mailto:delphi-bounces at ns3.123.co.nz]*On Behalf Of *tracey
>     *Sent:* Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:40 p.m.
>     *To:* 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List'
>     *Subject:* RE: [DUG] In case you're interested (or buy stuff)
>
>     >What do you do when you are contracting and you want to prove you

> did
>
>     the work, but the idiotic contractee keeps removing all reference
>     to you
>
>     from the code ?  One memorable instance of this was  when I wrote
>     a CPM
>
>     clone optimised for Z80 for Sord Computers and they kept removing 
> my
>
>     name from the code.  Eventually I had to invent an error message 
> and
>
>     code that looked legit.  But if three specific keys were pressed
>
>     simultaneously, it popped up a message saying that I wrote it.
>
>     *Um, have never contracted but... why is it so important to have
>     your name in the code? For future employment reference? Surely the
>     actual contract that sets out your work, + actual code, is enough
>     for proof of work? (pardon my ignorance here)
>
>      
>
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