[DUG] A Friday Qustion on Monday.

[Kyley Harris]

No, Everything should not be Free. It should work as stated. They set
the price they want for the product. We choose to pay the price based
on the expectations.

If they released in their advertising "by the way there are 200 known
bugs in this new release as listed:" It might make for a fairer choice
when deciding to pay.

What makes up my development process? Well, many things, but they are
not all Borland Products. I have no problem with the borland products.
It is the integration features that cannot be disabled properly that
effect my development lifecycle.

I hope you are not hinting that if you don't pay 20,000 per person for
lifecycle tools, then you can't be doing it right? thats the same
hogwash as saying that you can't be an architect if you are not using
UML to represent your thoughts.

Not all tools are built equal, neither are all brains.

I'm glad you think I'm quote worthy. :) maybe I'll go into a book.
It's a funny assumtion to make that I may or may not have clients, and
that the code may or may not be a million lines of code? Perhaps a
million lines of code with plenty of issues, given the right brain,
rather that a lifecycle tool, would only be 100,000 lines of code,
which lots less bugs.

It certainly seems like this is a topic that concerns people. because
its not so silent.. :D

On 6/15/05, JeremyN at frontiersoftware.com.au
<JeremyN at frontiersoftware.com.au> wrote:
> > This topic of D2006 leads me to pose the following thoughts for comment.
> 
> Interesting ones at that
> 
> > Borland has taken big steps in aquisition to provide software for
> > lifecycle design and development, including memory optimization
> > software, leak tracking and feature tracking tools.  All these
> > things seem wonderful (if you can afford it).
> 
> So everything should be free? Do you give your work away for free? Complex
> tools take time and cost money to build. If you don't see the benefit in
> these items, why should they bother you, then again if you don't see the
> benefit in these tools, one wonders what makes up your development process.
> 
> > So why are there so many issues with delphi after production release.
> 
> Rome wasn't built in a day. These tools are slowly being phased in
> internally and you can get this impression by listening to any of the online
> chats or reading blogs
> 
> > We are trying to be sold on Unit Testing, Memory Tracking, Bug Tracking,
> etc etc,
> > with all these new features in delphi, and the other products such as
> starteam,
> > NUnit & DUnit, and Optimizeit suites to name a few. It seems like Borlands
> main
> > marketing is in opposition to Rational for lifecycle tools, rather than
> focusing
> > on the requirements of the simple programmer requisites. It used to be
> that most
> > people thought of them without question as the IDE and compilers of
> choice, but
> > I think this is taking a back leg to High Level tools.
> 
> Borland is more than an IDE/Compiler company. They sure didn't get an 11
> million dollar sale to British Telecom selling IDEs.
> 
> > I have to query weather the Delphi team is following the unit testing and
> design
> > philosophy that it is selling to us as the best thing since sliced bread.
> 
> Don't think Borland has ever stated that unit testing is the best thing
> since sliced bread. It is something that has been out in the community for
> many years now and has its uses. You can't write unit tests for every part
> of your code and its not even feasible to do so, but for core functionality,
> unit testing can be a god send. We have over 200 unit tests in one project
> I'm working on.
> 
> > At the end of the day the most important thing to me is solid code,
> > and a good working IDE that supports my need of solid clean code,
> > and doesn't throw tantrums every five minutes.
> 
> Unfortunately some people have clients and have requests. They also have
> projects that have millions of lines of source with more than 1 person
> developing on it. They have analyst who have to liase with the developers
> and help desk personal that liase with analysts and developers. If you think
> that one or two developer shops are the norm for Borland products, you have
> another thing coming.
> 
> > The brain is an excellent tool for all the other stuff.
> 
> That would have to be the quote of the century.
> 
> Steve Trefethen talking a little about the R&D process (quite timely
> actually).
> http://blogs.borland.com/stevet/archive/2005/06/13/8441.aspx
> 
> cheers,
> Jeremy
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