[DUG] Bristol Cars. A Development Model.

[Neven MacEwan]

Kyley

Sorry you missed the point, The component they made for 20 was generally 
no better than the one off the shelf. In fact on of the best things 
about early bristols was the BMW engine. Exclusive and Expensive yes, 
good cars probably, but they are not great cars. You must give them 
credit for aluminium bodywork (on an italian principle) and windtunnel 
testing (and the fact that they are still in production)

 > Without developers like Paul and Profax pushing
 > the envelope we wouldn't have linux or any of the other things like
 > PostgeSQL which is also just another wheel.

What? a propriertary Accounting System is comparable to an open source 
project? have a look at www.compiere.org, The point I was trying to make 
is that as much as I admire Paul & Max's work they are not "pushing the 
envelope" they are making the "perfect envelope",

FYI PostgreSQL was probably the first decent Open source DBMS project, 
Technically it outstrips MySQL, but still plays 2nd fiddle to it, Do you 
get it now? We may like to think that we work in a meritocritous 
industry, but actually we are in an period where disruptive Open Source 
technologies are taking a lot of directions from commercial ones, enough 
il-qualified people saying a product is 'good' is worth more than the 
products inherant qualities.

Neven




Kyley Harris wrote:
>  >The Profax/Accredo story reminds me of Bristol making cars, it was 
> said that they wouldn't buy in a component for 5 pounds if they could 
>  >make it for 20.
> 
> I would say that this is actually a compliment in the best way ;) It 
> means that you believe your customers should not settle for second best 
> just because everyone elses customers have to... Good work.
> 
>  >> I've seen 2 Bristols on the road in my life.
> 
> Who around here has? I don't hang out for tea and scones with the elite 
> and go for a sunday drive in their Bristol before hopping on the private 
> cruize liner home... The closest I come to is watching the apprentice 
> with Donald Trump. ;) The type of person who spends 200,000 on a watch 
> because Rolex is cliche....
> If you were a car dealer/ or a software dealer would like to try and 
> sell 20 Suzukis to people who are scrimping for funds, or sell one 
> decent car to someone who has an open cheque for unique quality....? I 
> prefer option 2.
> 
> There are other companies around locally who have written their own 
> databases ( not me ) and they did it when Microsoft didn't exist and 
> oracle was a tiny nothing... Their customers will keep using it when 
> Microsoft forces another reinvention of the wheel, because it works.
> 
> Perhaps the Profax clients look at everyone elses products and go "Thank 
> god I'm not using that ubiquitous shit." perhaps they are even happy to 
> pay for a product that works instead of paying to have it get fixed all 
> the time.
> 
> I use delphi because I like pascal and Delphi did do a good job. I like 
> firebird because it is simple light and quick. It never said it was 
> oracle competition.. and it kicks ass over DBISAM and other small light 
> databases. In fact in its class as a lightweight I would say that is is 
> "Best of Breed" apples with apples. Perhaps that pathological M$ hatred 
> is bleeding into other areas and the delusion is in hating a company, 
> but then writing products for their OS's.
> 
> Lastly... Delphi is OO and also non-OO. its each persons choice to use 1 
> or both options. and as for encapsulation... Just because delphi has a 
> vcl, doesn't mean that its encapsulated, or even written properly, or 
> bug free. Being OO does not automatically define encapsulation. If 
> someone gives me a hammer with a split in the shaft that cant be glued 
> back together its not reinventing the wheel to create a hammer that is 
> better for that job..... Sometimes delphi gives you a sledge hammer when 
> what you need is a soft mallet. Thats why we are programmers and 
> architects. If you can't use your own creativity to decide that 
> something is not right then you are basically a jigsaw puzzle maker, or 
> a lego builder... If people didn't insist in reinventing things, we 
> wouldn't have decent source code, or compilers or OS's. we wouldn't 
> event have computers. without developers like Paul and Profax pushing 
> the envelope we wouldn't have linux or any of the other things like 
> PostgeSQL which is also just another wheel.
> 
> that would be my 3c
> 
> 
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